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    Default Motorola R1801 Analyser Controller Suitcase Programmer

    The R1801/R1801A Digital Analyzer/Controller a.k.a. the "Suitcase Programmer" is how Motorola Radios got programmed before there was RSS software, or even DOS to run it on, for that matter!

    The suitcase had a simple 8 bit CPU, membrane keyboard and vacuum-fluorescent display. It had 4 K RAM memory, and that was the "A" suffix, the deluxe version. The regular 1801 had 1 K memory. It looked like this:

    R1801 Suitcase Programmer 1.jpg

    Software in this unit was burned onto EPROMs, usually each program for each type of radio fit onto one (or sometimes more) EPROMs. Devices this unit would program included early Pagers, Cell Phones, and 2 Way Radios such as MX300-S, Syntor, Syntor-X, MCX-100, MSF5000, etc.

    The unit used UV-erasable EPROMs, usually 68764's which are incredibly hard to find. Motorola made these bastard 8K proms that were 24 pin packages when the rest of the industry had decided for the 2764 EPROMs to make the package size grow to 28 pins. So, Moto was the only company making these weird 64 proms that were non-standard and because of that not many were used in designs other than Motorola's stuff and they fell into obscurity. Some of the smaller programs for Pagers, etc used smaller 4K EPROMs like 2732 or 2 K 2716's. There are socket re-wiring schemes around that will let you use a more readily available 2764 instead of the unobtainium 68764's.

    Anyway, I have collected a large library of "application software" EPROMS, here is a listing of what I have archived. Note that in order to use any of these you need to have a matching PROM adapter (and probably some blank PROMs) . Here is what I have...

    PRPTEST.HEX - 1801 Unit Test Exerciser/Calibration Rev B.
    R1801A.HEX - 1801 Master Firmware 41-80364A01 Ver A. 1988 E. (4K?)
    80364A01.HEX - 1801 Master Firmware (same?)
    RLN4027A.HEX - ID - C
    RLN4032B.HEX - SYNTOR 32 PL Code
    RTL4800B.HEX - CPP1 Rev D. 51-80364A31
    RTL4801C.HEX - SYNTORX Rev C. RTL4801C-C 51-80364A61
    RTL4801Z.HEX - SYNTAUX Rev C. RTL4801C-C 51-80364A62
    RTL4801D.HEX - SYNTORX Rev D. RTL4801D-D 51-80364A80
    RTL4801X.HEX - SYNTAUX Rev D. RTL4801D-D 51-80364A81
    RTL4802B.HEX - SYNTORF Rev F. 51-80364A33
    RTL4802D.HEX - SYNTORF Rev D. (Old)? 51-80364A33
    RTL4802O.HEX - SYNTORF Rev E. (Old)
    RTL4803B.HEX - SYNTORP Rev D. 51-80364A34
    RTL4804A.HEX - SYNTORD Rev C. (4K?) 51-80364A07
    RTL4806B.HEX - MCX100PD Rev D. MCX100 PL/DPL 51-80364A36 (superseded)
    RTL4809B.HEX - MX300-S+ (Rev D?) 51-80364A37
    RTL4809C.HEX - MX300-S+ (Rev F?) 51-80364A91
    RTL4809G.HEX - MX300-S+ (Rev G?) 51-80364B12 (RTL4809C-G)
    RTL4811B.HEX - MCX100SCAN Rev C. 51-80364A38
    RTL4812A.HEX - SMT80 Rev C. 51-80364A15
    RTL4814A.HEX - MDC600P Rev B. 51-80364A18
    RTL4816A.HEX - GSC Rev B. 51-80364A20
    RTL4817A.HEX - CPP2 Rev C. 4K MCM2532 51-80364A22
    RTL4818A.HEX - 2K Intel D2716 MX300-T Rev A. 51-80364A23
    RTL4818B.HEX - MX300-T Rev B. (4K?)
    RTL4820A.HEX - Unknown
    RTL4821A.HEX - Unknown
    RTL4823A.HEX - NORDICNMT (4K MC2532) - Nordic MCR1200 NAM Programmer Rev A. 51-80364A28 (uses RTL-5820A adapter module)
    RTL4826E (7 files) MSF0.HEX - MSF6.HEX - MSF5000 Rev E. (06)
    RTL4827A.HEX - ID-C Rev A. 51-80364B21
    RTL4828A.HEX - MT Rev A. 4K TMS2532A 51-80364A49
    RTL4831A.HEX - PRPBUG - 1801 Debugger? Rev A. 2K 2716 51-80364A41
    RTL4832A.HEX - CELNAM Rev C. 51-80364A57
    RTL4834A.HEX - MOSTARPL Rev A. 51-80364A51
    RTL4834X.HEX - XMOSTARPL (MOSTARPL Part 2) 51-80364A58
    RTL4835B.HEX - DVP-SCAN for MX300-S Rev B. 51-80364B16
    RTL4836A.HEX - DIMENSION 2000/ENVOY Binary GSC Pager
    RTL4838A.HEX - Unknown
    RTL4838B.HEX - CELPROG G? 11-17-87
    RTL4839A.HEX - CELPORT Rev F. 51-80364A60 Dyna-Tac Shoe Phone
    RTL4840A.HEX - MX300SEL5 - Rev A. 51-80364A67
    RTL4841A.HEX - MCX100F Rev J. 51-80364B28
    RTL4841X.HEX - MCXFP2G (MCX100 Part 2) Rev J. 51-80364A88
    RTL4851A.HEX - SYNTOR-X/MOSTAR Trunked Radio Programmer
    RTL4852B.HEX - BRAVO Tone Pager
    RTL4855B.HEX - MCX100SCAN 51-80364B20
    RTL4856A.HEX - MCX100PD PL/DPL/Single Tone
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    Here's the VERY RARE MANUAL for the R-1800A/R-1801A Digital Analyzer/Controller. It's almost 32 years old, buy it a beer. I scanned it in and used a really excellent free utility called "Hugin" that is for stitching together pictures into a panorama to handle the large fold-out color schematics and layouts. It's very powerful and complex and doing scan stripes for large documents barely scratches the surface of what it can do.

    The file is a little large, but it's in very high resolution, 300x300 DPI. I'm going to start digitizing my library of old rare unusual manuals and documents, more to come.

    Anyway, for the first time in PDF format... The 1801 manual!

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    Thank you for posting and sharing this very hard to find information.

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    Do you have the sheets for hardware modules

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    Very rare info. Thanks Alpha.

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    Default R-1801A Hardware and Software module manuals

    OK - here's another p25.ca exclusive - my collection of data sheets and manuals for many of the hardware adapters and software! This is the first time these have been available in PDF format, except for one or two floating around the internets....

    68P80309B61-O RTL-4841A MCX100 Frequency PROM Programming Manual
    68P80309B99-O RTL-4855A MCX100 Channel Scan PROM Programming Manual
    68P80309C34-O RTL-4835B MX300 DVP Scanner PROM Programming Manua
    68P80309C81-O RLN-4070A MX300 Memory Module Programming Manual
    68P80309C97-O Sep 1989 Important Notice Regarding Field Programming MX300
    68P80310B15-O RTL-4801D Syntor X Memory Module Programming Manual
    68P80310B31-O RTL-4826C MSF-5000 Station Control Codeplug Programming Manual
    68P80310B33-O RTL-4809C MX300 Memory Module Programming Manual Excerpt
    68P80310B37-O RLN-4027A MT-MX Unit ID Prom Programming Manual
    68P80360B32-A RLN-4032A Syntor PL PROM Programming Manual Excerpt
    68P80362A59-A SRN-1044 Jan 1987 Memory Module Change for MX300
    68P80362A60-O TESB-114 Sep-19-1986 Memory Module Change for MCX100-F
    68P80362A88-B Aug 1991 Important Notice Regarding Field Programming MC100, Syntor, Syntor-X, PURC
    68P81122E83-A RTL-4802B Syntor Frequency Prom Programming Manual
    68P81122E87-O RTL-4804A Syntor Digital Private Line PROM Programming Manual
    68P81122E93-A RTL-4801B Syntor X Memory Module Programming Manual
    68P81123E03-O RTL-4814A MDC600 Signalling PROM Programming Manual
    68P81123E60-O RTL-4832A Cellular NAM Programmer Manual Excerpt
    68P81123E65-O RTL-4827A MX300 MT500 Signalling Code Plug Programming Manual
    68P81123E67-O RTL-4828A MT700 Select-5 Code Plug Programming Manual
    68P81124E01-B RTL-4838A Dyna-Tac CT NAM Programmer Manual Excerpt
    68P81124E02-A RTL-4839A Dyna-Tac DT NAM Programmer Manual Excerpt
    68P81124E76-O RTL-4840A MX300 Select-5 EEPROM Programming Manual
    SMR-4531 10-21-1982 Revision for Syntor and MCX100 Manuals
    SMR-5341 1982 Revision for Syntor Frequency PROM Programming Manual
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    Great info, Alpha, this brings back lots of good memories, I used to program
    my trusted mcx-100 with this during the 80'ties..
    Wish I would still have this beast and the ultra-rare proms!
    Thanks for sharing!

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    My pleasure! For all the hobbyist/enthusiasts out there that may be interested in using this stuff, the PROM's were identified as either 82S123 or 82S14 fuse-ROM devices for the MCX and Syntors, the Syntor-X used 2716 or 2732's, and the MSF-5000's use 2732's, so if those can be had anymore, you can still program those antique radios.

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    Wow, a Suitcase manual in PDF... Great work, I will pass this along to some other hams that just inherited a bunch of MSF's and one of my Suitcase Programers. Thanks...

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    Excellent work, thank you!

    I'd like to contribute something of my own, but I also don't want to 'reinvent the wheel,' as it were. I noticed, some time ago, the application ROMs in the programmer were done on Motorola 68764-series parts, which are harder to find than the proverbial Unobtainium.

    I drew up a schematic, at one time, for a proposed pinout adapter which would allow the use of more common 2764-series. Is this something helpful, or has someone beat me to it?

    Thanks.

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    I also had an adapter schematic for some other device, I think it was something like a Game Boy or some other gadget that used to use the 68C764 EPROMS, also. However, I can't seem to find it now, so if you want to, yes, please go ahead and add it to this discussion, it would be a useful addition!

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    Fair enough, here's a PDF of a quick-and-dirty schematic I did in OrCAD.

    Happy tweaking.
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    Anyone have a list of the commands used to operate the r-1801?? Specifically the mx300-s program. Its been a long time since I've used it.
    Thanks
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    Did you even see any of the posts above that you just replied to? I would start off with the R-1801 user manual, then try the MX-300 program manual. Both are posted right here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Did you even see any of the posts above that you just replied to? I would start off with the R-1801 user manual, then try the MX-300 program manual. Both are posted right here...
    I did the 1801 manual. Sorry I missed the big blue letters of the manuals !! Thanks

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    If there is any interest in the Motorola manuals for the Epson HX20 programmer

    I can make pdfs

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    I am sure that someone would apreciate having the manuals.

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    Holy Cowstealer. Thanks Alpha, it looks like there is enough here to make an emulator for this beast.

    Haha those NAM programmers might have been a bunch of fun to check out twenty years ago. MOT66 was worse than RSS!

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    Thanks for the manual for the r1801. I just picked one up and knew someone out there would have info for it. I heard they are getting harder to find lately. But, hey what do i know?

    Dave

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    Great post. Does anyone have the manual for the RLN-4070B / RLN-4030B kit? The manual part number is 6880309C81.
    I have been looking (for years) for the schematic of the RLN-4070B adapter to see if it is possible to modify my RLN-4070A adapter. I already have the RLN-4030B PROM and quite a few "D" eeproms but no way to program them. I will post the mod if I can find the schematic.
    If someone has 8, "C" eeproms or a RLN-4070B adapter they want to sell, that would work as well.

    Thanks,
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    For the application EPROMs, the 68C766 EPROM will work also, in addition to the 68C764. Very hard to find, but not impossible! It has an odd pinout, but as someone suggested earlier, an adaptor to 27(C)64 should be possible. The main firmware is located in a 2532 EPROM. Had to reverse engineer a few items several years ago to make an MSF programming adaptor & discovered lots of fun things with these. Quite the antique, but the RTFJ (Right Tool For the Job (tm)) for the oldies!

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    Hi Everyone1

    I have the programmer for sale in working Order and with the adpators

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    QUOTE=Alpha;9233]The R1801/R1801A Digital Analyzer/Controller a.k.a. the "Suitcase Programmer" is how Motorola Radios got programmed before there was RSS software, or even DOS to run it on, for that matter!

    The suitcase had a simple 8 bit CPU, membrane keyboard and vacuum-fluorescent display. It had 4 K RAM memory, and that was the "A" suffix, the deluxe version. The regular 1801 had 1 K memory. It looked like this:

    R1801 Suitcase Programmer 1.jpg

    Software in this unit was burned onto EPROMs, usually each program for each type of radio fit onto one (or sometimes more) EPROMs. Devices this unit would program included early Pagers, Cell Phones, and 2 Way Radios such as MX300-S, Syntor, Syntor-X, MCX-100, MSF5000, etc.

    The unit used UV-erasable EPROMs, usually 68764's which are incredibly hard to find. Motorola made these bastard 8K proms that were 24 pin packages when the rest of the industry had decided for the 2764 EPROMs to make the package size grow to 28 pins. So, Moto was the only company making these weird 64 proms that were non-standard and because of that not many were used in designs other than Motorola's stuff and they fell into obscurity. Some of the smaller programs for Pagers, etc used smaller 4K EPROMs like 2732 or 2 K 2716's. There are socket re-wiring schemes around that will let you use a more readily available 2764 instead of the unobtainium 68764's.

    Anyway, I have collected a large library of "application software" EPROMS, here is a listing of what I have archived. Note that in order to use any of these you need to have a matching PROM adapter (and probably some blank PROMs) . Here is what I have...

    PRPTEST.HEX - 1801 Unit Test Exerciser/Calibration Rev B.
    R1801A.HEX - 1801 Master Firmware 41-80364A01 Ver A. 1988 E. (4K?)
    80364A01.HEX - 1801 Master Firmware (same?)
    RLN4027A.HEX - ID - C
    RLN4032B.HEX - SYNTOR 32 PL Code
    RTL4800B.HEX - CPP1 Rev D. 51-80364A31
    RTL4801C.HEX - SYNTORX Rev C. RTL4801C-C 51-80364A61
    RTL4801Z.HEX - SYNTAUX Rev C. RTL4801C-C 51-80364A62
    RTL4801D.HEX - SYNTORX Rev D. RTL4801D-D 51-80364A80
    RTL4801X.HEX - SYNTAUX Rev D. RTL4801D-D 51-80364A81
    RTL4802B.HEX - SYNTORF Rev F. 51-80364A33
    RTL4802D.HEX - SYNTORF Rev D. (Old)? 51-80364A33
    RTL4802O.HEX - SYNTORF Rev E. (Old)
    RTL4803B.HEX - SYNTORP Rev D. 51-80364A34
    RTL4804A.HEX - SYNTORD Rev C. (4K?) 51-80364A07
    RTL4806B.HEX - MCX100PD Rev D. MCX100 PL/DPL 51-80364A36 (superseded)
    RTL4809B.HEX - MX300-S+ (Rev D?) 51-80364A37
    RTL4809C.HEX - MX300-S+ (Rev F?) 51-80364A91
    RTL4809G.HEX - MX300-S+ (Rev G?) 51-80364B12 (RTL4809C-G)
    RTL4811B.HEX - MCX100SCAN Rev C. 51-80364A38
    RTL4812A.HEX - SMT80 Rev C. 51-80364A15
    RTL4814A.HEX - MDC600P Rev B. 51-80364A18
    RTL4816A.HEX - GSC Rev B. 51-80364A20
    RTL4817A.HEX - CPP2 Rev C. 4K MCM2532 51-80364A22
    RTL4818A.HEX - 2K Intel D2716 MX300-T Rev A. 51-80364A23
    RTL4818B.HEX - MX300-T Rev B. (4K?)
    RTL4820A.HEX - Unknown
    RTL4821A.HEX - Unknown
    RTL4823A.HEX - NORDICNMT (4K MC2532) - Nordic MCR1200 NAM Programmer Rev A. 51-80364A28 (uses RTL-5820A adapter module)
    RTL4826E (7 files) MSF0.HEX - MSF6.HEX - MSF5000 Rev E. (06)
    RTL4827A.HEX - ID-C Rev A. 51-80364B21
    RTL4828A.HEX - MT Rev A. 4K TMS2532A 51-80364A49
    RTL4831A.HEX - PRPBUG - 1801 Debugger? Rev A. 2K 2716 51-80364A41
    RTL4832A.HEX - CELNAM Rev C. 51-80364A57
    RTL4834A.HEX - MOSTARPL Rev A. 51-80364A51
    RTL4834X.HEX - XMOSTARPL (MOSTARPL Part 2) 51-80364A58
    RTL4835B.HEX - DVP-SCAN for MX300-S Rev B. 51-80364B16
    RTL4836A.HEX - DIMENSION 2000/ENVOY Binary GSC Pager
    RTL4838A.HEX - Unknown
    RTL4838B.HEX - CELPROG G? 11-17-87
    RTL4839A.HEX - CELPORT Rev F. 51-80364A60 Dyna-Tac Shoe Phone
    RTL4840A.HEX - MX300SEL5 - Rev A. 51-80364A67
    RTL4841A.HEX - MCX100F Rev J. 51-80364B28
    RTL4841X.HEX - MCXFP2G (MCX100 Part 2) Rev J. 51-80364A88
    RTL4851A.HEX - SYNTOR-X/MOSTAR Trunked Radio Programmer
    RTL4852B.HEX - BRAVO Tone Pager
    RTL4855B.HEX - MCX100SCAN 51-80364B20
    RTL4856A.HEX - MCX100PD PL/DPL/Single Tone[/QUOTE]