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    I jumped on the Thales 25 bandwagon after seeing the BIA items from New Mexico. Radio and batteries have arrived so I'm moving on to programming. FPP is handy but tedious so I'm looking for help with making a programming cable; cloning cables (85303) are readily available and I'm wondering if having one might be a good first step toward rolling my own. I can't find a decent image showing the number and location of the pins in the cloning cable connector...if someone has a photo or diagram, that would be a good start. Hoping that I can open the connector cover, move and/or add pins as needed and end up with a reliable 85302 PC Programmer Cable. What say you, brain trust?


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    Iíll dig up the pinout someone sent me, but a cloning cable works great since you can cut it in half and use one side for programming and either make a second cable or keyload adapter from the second half.

    I just received mine last week and finally got a replacement Hybrid battery but it seems to be shot - so Iíll be tossing it aside until I feel daring enough to open it and try to find new cells. Have a second coming in tomorrow so we will see if the next hybrid battery fares any better. If youíre interested in a standard Lithium battery I can point you in the direction of a place that can still order the Honeywell/GTS battery and a source for a new in box and cheap cradle charger. Just received my Lithium battery today and itís the only way Iíve been able to play with the radio so far.

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    I ordered a battery online last night from Advanced Automation, website said they were in stock. Hopefully it's just a drop ship from GTS. Where did you source yours from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vette86 View Post
    I ordered a battery online last night from Advanced Automation, website said they were in stock. Hopefully it's just a drop ship from GTS. Where did you source yours from?
    It was a computer or automation type company as well but they showed it as ďin stockĒ so I took the risk. It does end up being drop-shipped straight from GTS so youíll have a brand new battery.

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    Excellent, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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    Good news about the cloning cable. If you can divine the location of the cloning cable pinout I'm sure it would be helpful. The battery source information would be nice to have as well, especially if my orange hybrid dies. I seem to have been fortunate as mine works well...so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywave View Post
    Good news about the cloning cable. If you can divine the location of the cloning cable pinout I'm sure it would be helpful. The battery source information would be nice to have as well, especially if my orange hybrid dies. I seem to have been fortunate as mine works well...so far.
    _Thales 25 side connector connections 25jul02.pdf

    This is the manual I have with the pinout and pin diagram for the side connector. The cloning cable will have the necessary leads, just at one part the TX line becomes RX and vice-versa for the serial data. So as long as you have a multimeter you'll find it to be an easy task.

    I'll PM you the battery link

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    That will do nicely. Thank you. Cloning cable has been ordered.

    Got the PM, too.

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    Any luck with converting the cloning cable to a programming cable? I'm also in need of a programming cable so monitoring progress before go ahead. Thanks!

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    Feel free to proceed! The cloning cable conversion to programming cable worked well. You'll end up with a spare connector...or put it to use making a keyload cable.

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    That's great news! Thank for you for your feedback! I have a spare speaker mic which I may butcher if I can't source a decently priced cloning cable.

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    Cannibalized speaker mic should work, too. Cloning cable is $35 from that auction place.

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    Just remember if you use the cloning cable one side has a small diode you have to remove.

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    I have already reached out to the seller but still waiting for them to come back with shipping cost to Australia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skywave View Post
    Cannibalized speaker mic should work, too. Cloning cable is $35 from that auction place.
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    I also bought a cloning cable to modify into a programming cable. I wouldn't want to improvise one without it.

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    I managed to get myself an OEM serial programming cable - hooked it up to my laptop with USB->serial adapter and worked like a charm. Except not sure if its worth what I paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pks View Post
    I managed to get myself an OEM serial programming cable - hooked it up to my laptop with USB->serial adapter and worked like a charm. Except not sure if its worth what I paid for.
    Could you kindly tell me where you got an OEM programming cable? I just purchased a Datron Guardian portable radio (G25RPV100) and I am searching for the G25AXG004 OEM programming cable without any luck. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicDavid78 View Post
    Could you kindly tell me where you got an OEM programming cable? I just purchased a Datron Guardian portable radio (G25RPV100) and I am searching for the G25AXG004 OEM programming cable without any luck. Thanks!
    I would also like to know where to get said cable from, I purchased a Datron Guardian handheld from a US seller on the usual auction site and he cannot help with any further info. I would like a cloning cable to alter for programming (as earlier discussed FPP is good for one or two memories) and a Speaker Mic to use with it

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    For the Datron programming cable at least, I'm working on something better than taping three wires to the radio contacts. I'll report back when I know more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G1JPV View Post
    I would also like to know where to get said cable from, I purchased a Datron Guardian handheld from a US seller on the usual auction site and he cannot help with any further info. I would like a cloning cable to alter for programming (as earlier discussed FPP is good for one or two memories) and a Speaker Mic to use with it
    Well thereís a cloning cable for sale on a certain popular auction website, but it takes like 2 weeks to be delivered and I donít raally have the necessary tools to make a new connector. I have pliers & wire cutters/crimpers but I donít have anything to solder the wires too or anything. Would be easier to buy a cable from somewhere OR someone that makes the cable themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywave View Post
    For the Datron programming cable at least, I'm working on something better than taping three wires to the radio contacts. I'll report back when I know more.
    YES, please do report back! I canít find these cables anywhere to program my Datron Guardian. I wrote the company and they said it was discontinued so thereís nowhere to buy them. So it appears either someone will have to have surplus or someone that makes them themselves & sells them.

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    Is the Datron connection the same as the Racal 25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbillx View Post
    Is the Datron connection the same as the Racal 25?
    That depends, Iím not too familiar with Racal-25 radios, however I do know this Datron Guardian uses the same CPS software to program as the Thales-25/Racal-25 CPS. If the Racal-25 connector looks like this then yes theyíre the same: 8FD97DB7-ADD0-4E1B-97FA-C4785D7B6835.jpg

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    Was about to post the same image about the pin-out

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbillx View Post
    Is the Datron connection the same as the Racal 25?
    Here is a picture of the actual radio & connection port. If it helps visualize the pin-out diagram. I just got the radio today and while FPP is okay on it thereís much more missing that I need the CPS for so a cable would be very helpful, even if someone makes it and I buy it offf them for their efforts! LOL
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