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    We may never know the true motivations that led to the take-down notice. Anyway, corporations often "spin" their reasons for doing things, even when they release information.

    The options provided by various flashcodes have been openly discussed for years in numerous places and there are also many fully or partially "enhanced" flashcodes in eBay listings. This is more than enough to inform anyone inclined to use depot to alter a radio. This is true for both currently supported radios (where there can be a loss of revenue to the company) as well as unsupported radios for which upgrades are no longer sold.

    Since the most lucrative options are already out there, eBay sellers who alter flashcodes will not be impacted by the loss of the tools. Those who either want/need to know the specific options present in a radio or those who want/need to order an upgrade for a currently supported radio will.

    If the plan is for the company to go to some type of server-based upgrade methodology, removal of the tools does not further this. Indeed, such a move would render harmless tools even more harmless, unless the goal is to limit information available to the customer. Without the tools, how is a customer to easily independently confirm that the flashcode they have purchased or want to order includes the features they need and only those features?

    Again, speculation about the reasons the tools are gone is just that. Focusing on the effects of the loss of the tools may be more beneficial in changing the decision.


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    Had to spend time on the phone with Motorola today verifying what flashcode options and what the final code needed was for an order, since the order needs to have the requested flashcode, and Moto DOES NOT make it easy nor do they have a tool for this. A five minute web lookup on a trusted site (akardam.net) would have been sufficient. Thanks, Moto.
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    I'm with everyone else. I don't see how akardam did anything wrong. Shame on moto...

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    Wish he would share his files and then just clone the site all over the net.

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    If you take the tools away and then change how the flashcode is created in the next series of products then you effectively retake control of your products going forward. That's the logical reason to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mshelby View Post
    Wish he would share his files and then just clone the site all over the net.
    Although he’s done absolutely nothing wrong, perhaps in his mind and that of any potential solicitor he may have hired, wilfully copying and re-distributing those files could be seen as an act of furthering any potential “damages“, assuming Motorola legal has harassed him.

    To be crystal clear, Peter has not done anything wrong either civilly or criminally. It’s the criminal enterprise mob at Motorola who have unlimited money to intimidate people that’s created the unnecessary drama.

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    The tool was only a flashcode lookup tool if I am not mistaken. How does this protect them in upcoming products if the tool is for current products, can you clarify?

    Quote Originally Posted by AMBE+2 View Post
    If you take the tools away and then change how the flashcode is created in the next series of products then you effectively retake control of your products going forward. That's the logical reason to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMBE+2 View Post
    If you take the tools away and then change how the flashcode is created in the next series of products then you effectively retake control of your products going forward. That's the logical reason to do this.
    Disagree.

    If you change how the flash code is created then you... rewrite the goddamn firmware. They have (for now) handled the problem with APX by (finally) locking down Depot and modifying the firmware to brick when hit with older versions of Depot. There is no doubt that these controls would be in place in similar future product lines (if any). The flashcode decoder/encoder is harmless in this regard.

    If you're talking about discontinued product lines and using Depot, the encoder/decoder, and whatever else? That ship sailed a decade ago. The information is out there, and short of re-releasing CPS and releasing firmware updates to combat the problem similar to what was done with APX, there is no fixing it by taking down a decoder. Full stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triptolemus View Post
    Disagree.

    If you change how the flash code is created then you... rewrite the goddamn firmware. They have (for now) handled the problem with APX by (finally) locking down Depot and modifying the firmware to brick when hit with older versions of Depot. There is no doubt that these controls would be in place in similar future product lines (if any). The flashcode decoder/encoder is harmless in this regard.

    If you're talking about discontinued product lines and using Depot, the encoder/decoder, and whatever else? That ship sailed a decade ago. The information is out there, and short of re-releasing CPS and releasing firmware updates to combat the problem similar to what was done with APX, there is no fixing it by taking down a decoder. Full stop.
    I don't believe this is it, if I am understanding you correctly. I don't think they really care about depot as much as it would appear. How are long time Ebay sellers like gallad2000 (selling Q52 FPP radios, shucks I wonder what the FCC would say about this) and snarlingrabiddog (who frickin literally says THE EXTERNAL TAGS DO NOT MATCH DUE TO THE PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE in caps, bold, italics and underlined) still selling their hacked wares after all these years by the dozens (and their radios end up in the hands of public safety!)? These are people openly advertising their services and Motorola appears to literally not be able to give 2 shits less.

    There is definitely more to the story here and it ain't depot IMO

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    Sorry to come late to the table but Mars, you're a legend in the moto world. But you need to remember... they have F***** up their mobile phone line (you don't hear about motorola releasing a phone like samsung or apple) so it was only a matter of time before they did the same to mototrbo and p25.

    Unfortunately for motorola they can't get rid of p25 as where I live (Down under), volunteer firefighters just got given scanners (ubcd436pt's) at an exceptionally low price from uniden to still be able to listen to the network. Why is this relevant. well if motorola go 5g then volunteer organisations wont be able to monitor the channels so really motorola is shooting themselves.

    Now. if motorola really wanted to make money (and i mean serious money out of us HAM guys and gals), they would have an option for non affiliate mode that can be added to the flash (paid update) and make it safer for us people to use their radios as scanners and other things, and would also better protect their "secure" system keys.

    I use an apx7000 because I still find the bcdx36's to be ****... plain and simple.

    The biggest problem with Motorola is the fact they live in their own little bubble and don't want to accept other peoples suggestions, idea's or input.

    They are exactly like people at my work, give them an idea, if they like it they will claim it as their own, if they don't then you're the one thats an idiot. As always... end users are just stupid and don't know anything. someone with 30 years experience doesn't know anything compared to someone who has a 2 week degree in how to press a button

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbui0309 View Post
    Unfortunately for motorola they can't get rid of p25 as where I live (Down under), volunteer firefighters just got given scanners (ubcd436pt's) at an exceptionally low price from uniden to still be able to listen to the network. Why is this relevant. well if motorola go 5g then volunteer organisations wont be able to monitor the channels so really motorola is shooting themselves.
    Here were I am (two states north) Ambo and fire are dropping motorola radios in the bin and using tait - primary reason they are light, sound better and ergonicly balanced. As one office said some time ago, carry an apx is like carrying a house brick and about as useful in the heat of battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbui0309 View Post
    Now. if motorola really wanted to make money (and i mean serious money out of us HAM guys and gals), they would have an option for non affiliate mode that can be added to the flash (paid update) and make it safer for us people to use their radios as scanners and other things, and would also better protect their "secure" system keys.
    Motorola has no interest in a small group... to little profit for having to do some work.

    Motorola Solutions purchases companys for paitents or for a quick fix to a problem - latest purchase avcom, odds are there is a big tender they were about to loose so they purchase the company to stop it. if memory serves me correctly this is why motorola purchased vertex yasue.
    What will happen to avcom - they will be a 'company of motorola' and milked of key assets/paitents and funds, rnd will dry up and inoveration will stop, this will also cause the key staff to move on aiding in brian drain. The upside to this is maybe motorola own crapy consoles may be killed off and merged with a avcom solution.
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