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    Default The work of Motorola? (akardam site discussion)

    I just found akardam's online tools such as the Flashcode decoder are no longer accessible.

    Attempting to access them redirects to a new page with the following message:
    Unfortunately, the content you were trying to access is currently unavailable, arising from a notice, complaint, challenge, alleged infringement, or other action by or on behalf of a copyright or trademark holder. The content was removed to protect this website and/or pursuant to an agreement with the initiating party. Any inconvenience is deeply regretted.
    Example link: http://www.akardam.net/moto/tools/decode4.pl


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    I noticed a few days ago he removed some of the document files. The site did say something about being put on notice from Motorola. Looks like they followed up and went for the whole thing.

    This really pisses me off. I struggle to see how he, in any way, infringed upon anything.



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    Hmmm.

    Did I see that he had made a smartphone APP for this recently?

    Was there ever an off line version or any published code or tables?

    This is a big loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m0th View Post
    I noticed a few days ago he removed some of the document files. The site did say something about being put on notice from Motorola. Looks like they followed up and went for the whole thing.
    From the Google cache:

    docs_takedown.PNG

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    I'm looking for alternates myself.

    I have seen some stuff for Astro/Astro 25, but nothing (yet) for anything later. ....but honestly, will they send the goon-squad after anyone who shows a feature printout for any radio?

    This was such a useful tool to quickly see what you've got, or to verify if a radio has a legit configuration you want.

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    Default The work of Motorola?

    Further to my rudimentary comment above, I just have to say here, Motorola, you are seriously screwing with the wrong group of people.

    People within our community are the ones who support, sell, repair and recommend your systems. What Peter had on his website, was absolutely harmless. And it had been there for more than a decade. If the new game plan is to **** everyone in this community/hobbyists, we are going to **** you back.

    There are plenty of other vendors with competing technologies, and you would be amazed at how much influence people within our circles have. Its not just three people on our website bitching. There is a silent majority who dont post. They are not going to put up with your ****.

    Consider yourselves put on notice to improve your behaviour and stop harassing Peter.

    We need to contact the shareholders, and let them know Motorola is harassing the people who have supported their systems, and brought in the cash, for the last 50 years.

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    Be a shame if Peter's tables ended up on Github or something...

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    I'm betting it's just a matter of time before alternates pop up. The codes were not all that hard to figure out.

    As for the shareholders: I don't think they'll give two hoots. It's share price and dividends. I'm really curious to what actually goes on inside the walls of Big M. I mean really. Does someone actually make statements like: "We're losing $xxM dollars to hobbyists and enthusiasts who like to use our unsupported hardware"

    I wonder if Peter could have a case against Motorola for harassment? He's had that site up for over 10+ years. Motorola employees seemingly have been aware of it, and it sounds like the even used it for themselves. Would that not constitute acceptance? If they really had heartburn over it, they should have said something a long time ago.

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    Considering that the underlying information needed to decode flashcodes has long been published, it is only a matter of time until someone creates a new decoder (and probably an encoder) and provides it on a foreign site. It may well be stand-alone as well as web-based.

    All it means to Motorola is that it won't be as easy (temporarily) for a slightly lazy user to decipher a flashcode. While I can understand why there is concern on the part of Motorola about depot and CPS, flashcode decoding is harmless. Their action is likely to generate more ill-will than anything else.
    Last edited by LA_XTS; Feb 18, 2019 at 01:49 PM. Reason: correct an error

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    Default The work of Motorola?

    Why do you guys think I have the attitude I do towards them? I was a big fan boy for quite a few years. When I started this site, they made contact with me. They were concerned about the content, and some of the services I was offering.

    I phoned the guy, who shall remain nameless because he is a really decent person (no longer works there) and straightened it all out over the telephone. There were no further problems for years after that.

    In 2015, I became fed up with the **** audio in the TRBO products. Myself, and a few other well-intentioned members, identified issues, fixed them, and passed them along to Motorola. On the surface, Motorola seemed grateful. I still have emails from top people, offering praise.

    I was also told by another senior person they had no issues with me activating entitlements in radios being used by hams. So thats what I did. And I still have that chain of emails.

    In 2016, Motorola chose to **** me in my *** and ruin my life. All over my hobby. They are disgusting, sick, subhuman parasites. Nothing has occurred yet, but no one has apologized or indicated it is not being pursued.

    So when I see them starting to screw with someone else, it makes me very agitated. That company is so wrong on many fronts. They do not understand we are the good guys. The people whom are running the show over there now, are not your friends. They are not legitimate radio people. They are excrement. The company is not what it was back the old days. I would go so far as to say they are hostile, criminal combatants.

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    This recent event is a travesty and I hope that whomever put the pressure on Akardam receives a lot of adverse fallout. None of the information that was pulled was harmful to any manufacturer or anyone else for that matter. It sounds like bullying.

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    Well, obviously the information came from somewhere. The man wasn't taking shots in the dark. There is no public documentation which I'm aware of that specifically enumerates the flashcode bit values. Perhaps the motivation for the takedown notice has something to do with that.

    Right now, I'm busy pulling the FC bit info down off of Google Cache before it is lost. I doin't know how to reconstruct it all otherwise...unless someone else has it already. Info is scattered everywhere.

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    The trouble with these take-down notices is that unless one has significant resources to devote to legal expenses they are hard to fight. For the average person, it isn't cost effective to litigate the merits of the notice.

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    What I would suggest for a replacement is a single file HTML/CSS/JS form that can either be hosted or downloaded that would perform the encoding/decoding in JavaScript.

    The file could be hosted for convenience but also just as easily saved and run locally just in case.

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    Encoding and decoding is easy enough. The challenge is obtaining accurate, up-to-date information on the bit positions.

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    I have an idea- if an app that worked on a cell phone could be made, then maybe we all could support in the legal costs to fight this harassment? I am not a software developer but I wonder how difficult it would be to make an android app. I would pay for one and buy an android phone to use it on.

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    How is it that Peter's site gets the legal hammer, a service I know is used by inside employees and many system managers/techs, yet they don't do anything about certain Ebay auctions that sell restricted software or related services? Or more importantly, forums like Austech where the idiots openly share Depot software? I believe that site is Australian but clearly their legal department crosses international borders given what Mars went through.

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    RR still has their decoder up and it is working, but I don't really trust anything on that site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb0uxv View Post
    How is it that Peter's site gets the legal hammer, a service I know is used by inside employees and many system managers/techs, yet they don't do anything about certain Ebay auctions that sell restricted software or related services? Or more importantly, forums like Austech where the idiots openly share Depot software? I believe that site is Australian but clearly their legal department crosses international borders given what Mars went through.
    Actually, /\/\ cracked down on the CPS postings on ebay. Looks like they worked with ebay and got all those listings removed. Try searching for any CPS.... nothing comes up any more (at least by my search just now).
    Seems their legal department got some fresh interns who are earning their keep. I can't imagine spending $$ paying high-priced legal counsel to go after hobbyists like this.
    They closed off the depot issue with the latest firmware. And I'm hearing TRBO will only be modified via RM servers which require licensing to operate. So they're slowly solving the problem there.
    But going after a flash code "decoder"/"encoder"? C'mon....

    What's to stop radio owners from posting their flash codes and feature list from CPS, radio models, etc. and someone else starting a database of flash codes? They gonna go after all that too?
    There just isn't any loss of IP or copyright infringement in something like that.

    There's gotta be more to this...

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    Just a wild guess but the take-down notice was likely sent to the web hosting company used by Akardam.

    Since the DMCA protects the hosting company if such a notice is promptly complied with, it's almost always in the self-interest of the hosting company to take down anything claimed to be infringing. The DMCA doesn't require any independent evaluation that infringement has occurred, just a declaration by the person/entity claiming infringement. A hosting company isn't going to get involve in the niceties of copyright law or spend money on the technical and/or legal expertise needed to evaluate the claim.

    It's important to realize that all this resulted from just a claim, with no actual proof of anything. There is nothing to suggest that Arkardam did anything wrong or that his work actually infringed on anything owned by anyone else. No court or agency has made any such determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA_XTS View Post
    It's important to realize that all this resulted from just a claim, with no actual proof of anything. There is nothing to suggest that Arkardam did anything wrong or that his work actually infringed on anything owned by anyone else. No court or agency has made any such determination.
    There's a word which describes this activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA_XTS View Post
    Just a wild guess but the take-down notice was likely sent to the web hosting company used by Akardam.

    Since the DMCA protects the hosting company if such a notice is promptly complied with, it's almost always in the self-interest of the hosting company to take down anything claimed to be infringing. The DMCA doesn't require any independent evaluation that infringement has occurred, just a declaration by the person/entity claiming infringement. A hosting company isn't going to get involve in the niceties of copyright law or spend money on the technical and/or legal expertise needed to evaluate the claim.

    It's important to realize that all this resulted from just a claim, with no actual proof of anything. There is nothing to suggest that Arkardam did anything wrong or that his work actually infringed on anything owned by anyone else. No court or agency has made any such determination.
    No, it doesn't look like the site was taken down by the hosting company. It looks like somebody got to Adkardam, and he deactivated his pages and replaced them with a new page explaining that the content is no longer available.

    http://www.akardam.net/x86ed.php

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    This will be interesting to see if and how the repercussions go, if any. Many professionals in the industry relied on that tool including many engineers within Motorola itself. While doing some searching I came across this gem from the State of Indiana, P25 Flash Request form! It has the site hard-coded into an official state PDF document; check this out: https://www.in.gov/ipsc/files/P25_Fl...quest_Form.pdf The site will be missed by many, hopefully influential, individuals and organizations.

    Otherwise, this sucks donkey balls. What short-sighted petty assholes they have become. They probably hired the firm of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe to "scrub the web" of any and all questionable non-Motorola content. Then they come across **** like this, that might make someone think that he's somehow making bank off of it: https://akardam.net.cutestat.com/

    Cripes.

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    There is a healthy discussion going on at the MTUG forum too, with many influential system managers reaching out to their corporate contacts. Those of you who are in the business and have contacts, please consider doing the same. Lets be sure Motorola realizes the mistake they made.

    The UCL builder to make contacts in APX was a huge asset that is now gone too with no alternative that I am aware of.

    For all the hard work put into this page they should purchase Peter's work and host it on MOL, not punish him with legal action.

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