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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    I don't think we have much to worry about in terms of losing spectrum anytime soon.

    222-225 MHz: Same as above.
    The only problem with being a cougar and being married to such a young cub is they weren't around for most of what you experienced in life, but they're cute.

    And it doesn't matter that they only wanted a small piece, this was a huge hit morally to the community and even larger financial one, and all a waste apparently as it took so long UPS went to another system.... so hate to disgree but you may want to mention those numbers on the 220 you quoted started at 220 prior to this EXACT situation happening. UPS was the camel nose under the tent, you know what's coming next and as more hams die off and the new soy boy ***** boys like like I wrote that email to who refuse to stand up for us, like in that ARRL email I wrote, the less power we'll have.

    This first editorial is good, especially his comments around 1296, and he's spot on, it's OUR OWN FAULT.
    http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/hamradio/narago.ham

    https://urgentcomm.com/2002/03/06/why-220mhz/

    http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/220-mhz.124672/

    https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/507203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim1348 View Post
    Okay, I am a licensed hambone, too, and I am not saying that your pitch wasn't valid then because it sounds like it was. However, how valid is that argument today?
    Where I live now, it's still pretty valid. I'm in a rural county with some terrain issues, a couple of thousand square miles and not much in the way of SO/FD commo resources. Celtel? I can drive 6 miles from home on a US highway with full signal on my American Toy Telephone cellular, and I know which edge marker to say "I'll call you back!" -- they will hear every word, just before it goes completely LOS, like Apollo going around the edge of the moon. 8 miles further along, it comes back almost as rapidly. I've got 2 meter coverage the whole way.

    Not long ago, I lived in a county of nearly 10000 square miles, a population density of less that two people per square mile -- and a public safety budget to match. They were SERIOUS about getting hams to provide commo for events such as searches, flooding, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim1348 View Post

    1: Okay, I am a licensed hambone, too, and I am not saying that your pitch wasn't valid then because it sounds like it was. However, how valid is that argument today?

    2: Granted, amateur radio operators are bringing the communications component to the table. However, in my area anyway, we have a great statewide system.

    3: Again, it may be different in your area, but in mine it seems like a lot of the public service oriented hams have a solution, are looking for a problem, but the solution has already been found for the local PD/FD. Also, in this day and age of civil litigation, vicarious liability, civil suits involving negligent training, supervision and retention, would you as a decision maker rather call out, your local police reserves or some random radio nerds that often have a widely varying skills and training?
    1: I'm no less a Ham today than I was in 1986 when I first got my novice ticket. Developments like the Internet or where I live are irrelevant and don't justify reduction of rights. Numerous times Ham's have entered bills, to get back our basic rights as a home owner which some feel is justified due to our history of RACES, ARES, MARS etc work which I never said should give me special rights... Basic rights of a homeowner are what I'm talking about and we don't lose them because we've gotten older and times have changed. We're having a hard enough time as it is getting younger people into the hobby, we don't need to be punished for the movement of time as well.

    2: Congratulations, you have a great statewide system, does that mean that I in another part of the country deserve to have something taken from me? Regardless of "my states" system and it's capabilities, we don't punish someone in one part of the country because we built up infrastructure in our own area.

    3: While I understand partially the basis for your continued returning to the "Jennifer should only be allowed to use a VHF portable on her own property and no antennas we can see from the street because the police no longer need her help/I have good infrastructure in my state so she should too", it has NOTHING to do with my comments, I never stated the only reason we're allowed antennas is because I helped by volunteering some place but as I mentioned above, we should still have basic rights of a property owner and that right doesn't go away because someone thinks infrastructure is good some place.
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    Here is another issue coming along on in Europe .France wants to re allocate 144-146 MHz for aeronautical use .I thought this was a late April fools joke but it seems to be a serious proposal.
    http://www.southgatearc.org/news/201...m#.XP9keVVKi2w

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    Quote Originally Posted by iltisman View Post
    Here is another issue coming along on in Europe .France wants to re allocate 144-146 MHz for aeronautical use .I thought this was a late April fools joke but it seems to be a serious proposal.
    http://www.southgatearc.org/news/201...m#.XP9keVVKi2w
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    Really and I assume that the rest of the EU is going to stop using the band. I doubt NA activities will affect operations there. Even if they use it for strictly data communications a .5 watt transciever at 10,000 can carry and pick up signals from 100s of miles especially over water.

    This is poorly thought out.

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    France had put up a similar proposal a few years back which was rejected outright. Not sure if there's much to worry about there.

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    Yes, I fear the trend as well. A band with low activity will be at risk for licensed or ISM takeover; conversely, a band with high activity, a broad base of users, and some documented public service activity will be the most defendable. And equipment manufacturers need to see it in their best interests to be aligned with the current amateur population rather than the group proposing a re-purposing of the band. Unfortunately, attracting a significant number of new users means dumbing down the licensing and technical barriers. We see this defense at work already for decades with the no-code movement and low-tech licensing.

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    That proposal by France is for the WRC-19, so if it was adopted, it would be at least Europe-wide, if not worldwide. That doesn't mean that National authorities would utilize it, but the means to do so would be at their fingertips.
    And the Aeronautical VHF spectrum is VERY hard-pressed - the FCC/FAA is in a real jam because if they adopt the European 8.33 kHz channel spacing, pretty much every US civil aircraft is going to need a new radio - and the AOPA has a LOT of clout in congress (ham radio can only dream about that much power). But their current 25 kHz channels are chuck-full of users, all of whom say they need more channels.

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    We here in the U.S. can thank the all knowing and wise folks over at the ARRL for driving amateur radio into the ground as we OF's once knew it. Yes, it's so wise to take away the technical arts and learning (PROCESS) from a technical hobby. I dare say they were far more interested in advertising revenue than their mission to save our spectrum!

    And of course, if it weren't for all of those old Moto radios back in the 60's and 70's there would have been no repeaters or interest in the VHF and UHF bands. Just Saying!!

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    Looks like the France/Thales proposal was removed. https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?thr...oposal.671469/ Doesn't mean it can't re-appear later, but it's gone for now.

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    Amateur bands shared on a secondary basis with the military are safe, because the military defends its spectrum vigorously.

    No bands under 1GHz are likely to come under threat from commercial users, but the microwave bands are as good as gone. Given how little they're used, it's hard for the amateur community to justify keeping them.

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    Good news, everyone! (I used to love Futurama...)

    I have a very good friend who is one of the members of the International WARC committee, he's one of the guys that WROTE the GSM spec, so he's absolutely trustworthy, and he said they killed the latest AIR BAND inclusion of the 2 meter amateur spectrum proposal. It's dead, Jim. The international conference committees didn't even give it a hearing, so it's DOA, AFAIK. Yay! He mentioned it was public knowledge, so there should be some news of this searchable somewhere.

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    The 2m proposal had no support outside of France, as far as I know. The proposal was stillborn.

    The Germans were especially blunt as their views of how stupid the idea was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syntrx View Post
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    The French culture expresses itself in unique and individual ways. Anyone remember the MiniTel? It was a very early dedicated public email system deployed at great government expense throughout France in the early 1980's.

    Since the French knew that it must be better than any technology deployment elsewhere in the world, they chose to forbid interconnection to the new "Internet" that was being deployed elsewhere.

    The proprietary system was launched in many nations including limited areas of the United States. With eventual interconnection to the Internet, it finally died in 2012.

    Don't be surprised to see unique and self serving proposals for international frequency allocation coming out of France. They consider themselves more advanced in many things, and probably consider worldwide opposition to their proposals somewhere between crass and uninformed.

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