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    CPS 2.0 just hit Depot, take a look, it's completely different!

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    Yes it is -- and it will not program any 4000 or 6000 hardware or any thing in the Gen 2 family older than 2.4.

    However, it is no longer region dependent and it will co exist on a laptop or desktop with the last release of CPS 1.n.

    It's a brave new world --

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    Can’t wait to watch the posts pop up on Austech.

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    New Tuner and RDAC out as well....

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    Keep in mind that anything you program with that won't be able to go back to older CPS..... FB

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    Also keep in mind Motorola is fucked in the head.

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    Do not upgrade unless you don't care if your radio becomes toolproofed.

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    Do not upgrade because there is literally no reasonable rationale for doing so.

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    Something for all of you Motorola fans to be aware of:

    - By upgrading you gain absolutely no new features. Nothing new whatsoever. Zero benefit. This is the part I don’t even understand, because in order for Motorola to “sell you“ on upgrading, you would think they are giving out enhanced functionality or something. Nothing.

    Only someone who is a complete fool would “upgrade” to the new platform, which is based on expiring feature sets. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. This is the end for Motorola. They are no longer a serious contender in the DMR game. I say this because they do not respect their customers.

    Advice for Motorola: you can’t take away features you sold the customer. That’s called theft.

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    So who's first to be a motorola alpha tester on there new DRM management solution........
    I do not believe in political correctness BS leftest tripe
    Suck it up, HTFU and make the place great again! Work never killed anyone who did it safely

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    Release notes (apologies if they were posted already, but I didn't see them..)...
    Attached Files Attached Files

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    Anybody aware if it's calling home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxK98 View Post
    Anybody aware if it's calling home?
    If I'm interpreting this correctly then that would seem to be the case:

    "Software Update Management (SUM) is the feature that enables MOTOTRBO systems to continue to accept new software updates. Applicable to all MOTOTRBO subscribers, repeaters and CMSS, this feature provides products with built-in intelligence to determine if they are eligible to accept a software update. Products on prior releases must be upgraded to R2.10 before they can be upgraded to any future releases."

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    The CPS 2.0 help does not have any references to the firmware update eligibility process, however...

    Firmware upgrade package contains a release date field (RDate)
    Radio codeplug contains a software maintenance date field (SMADate)
    Radio codeplug contains a warranty date field (WarrantyDate)

    At the time of update these values are compared and if conditions are met, the update is allowed to proceed.

    At this time it seems that the SMADate and WarrantyDate are not updated in the codeplug, that functionality will probably be added in a future release.

    From that slide deck posted here a while back - "Essential MOTOTRBO Services Webinar Deck.pdf", it looks like there will be a "Motorola Solutions MOTOTRBO Service Package" that will somehow have to be purchased for each SU and somehow activated to increase the SMADate counter to allow future upgrades.

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    Motorola Solutions, Inc. (MSI) has delivered a PCR MOTOTRBO 2.10 release. MSI development and
    operations teams continually make security updates as needed based on evaluated threats, determine
    protective measures, create response capabilities, and promote compliance. MSI interacts with and
    participates in several US and international security organizations, such as U.S. Department of Homeland
    Security’s National Cybersecurity & Communications Integration Center (NCCIC), National Institute of
    Standards and Technology (NIST), The 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP), Telecommunications
    Industry Association (TIA), European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI), Digital Mobile
    Radio (DMR) Security standardization, and others. Standards from the aforementioned organizations
    can map to security controls in international standards such as Information System Standards (ISO / IEC
    27001).
    The PCR MOTOTRBO 2.10 system release includes enhancements to security based on the National
    Vulnerability Database, improved architecture, and industry standards:
    - Authentication: updates to IP stack to improve web server authentication
    - Hardening: refreshed and updated Ports and Protocols hardening
    - Lifecycle management: third-party software was updated, for example RHEL, Microsoft
    Windows…
    - Introduction of Software Update Management

    Use Trbo 2.0 and you are now 'in the database'.
    Apparently NOT a radio professional.

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    All I got out of that press release was this:

    “We are now sucking DHS’ metaphorical shaft and we are using the excuse of security, to justify why we have to force subscription-based updates on our customers”

    I have identified additional threats:

    - DHS and MSI having access to customer codeplug information;

    - Stability of customer networks, due to expiring featuresets;

    The crap Motorola is saying, is nonsense. The only people I know of whom have activated “pirated“ features, use them for personal use only. There is no threat to anybody. They are off-line devices. Total stupidity.

    If you want to fix DMR, fix the standard. It’s broken by design, just like P25.

    Motorola is already irrelevant as a DMR player. They have neglected to include several standard features, such as Voice w/GPS and Talker Alias. They’re so far behind.

    Those of us with <2.9 radios are winners.

    The value of >2.10 radios is $0, as it’s useless to secondary market users.

    What a bunch of losers. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    Something for all of you Motorola fans to be aware of:

    - By upgrading you gain absolutely no new features. Nothing new whatsoever. Zero benefit. This is the part I don’t even understand, because in order for Motorola to “sell you“ on upgrading, you would think they are giving out enhanced functionality or something. Nothing.

    Only someone who is a complete fool would “upgrade” to the new platform, which is based on expiring feature sets. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. This is the end for Motorola. They are no longer a serious contender in the DMR game. I say this because they do not respect their customers.

    Advice for Motorola: you can’t take away features you sold the customer. That’s called theft.
    Strongly agreed that this is an asinine move. For those of us that have to support new radios entering our systems, though, is there any sense as to whether one is still able to buy perpetual EIDs for features you want to make "stick" in a post-CPS 2.0 radio, once the initial support term ends? Or is it subscription model forever from that point forward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoapx View Post
    Strongly agreed that this is an asinine move. For those of us that have to support new radios entering our systems, though, is there any sense as to whether one is still able to buy perpetual EIDs for features you want to make "stick" in a post-CPS 2.0 radio, once the initial support term ends? Or is it subscription model forever from that point forward?
    Who am I kidding, I already know the answer to that question, I just don't like it.

    (would've edited the post to include this had the edit time not expired)

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    Quote Originally Posted by com501 View Post
    - Hardening: refreshed and updated Ports and Protocols hardening
    I like that one.

    "Hey Steve, we need to harden our port!"
    "You mean like firewall it?!"
    "That's not what my marketing material says. Go ahead and harden it already! I thought you were doing this professionally?!"
    *sigh*

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    So the application is very clunky compared to CPS 16 Build 828. I'm going to throw a fit when I am forced to use this with my customers. I am not a fan of this RM converted product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchop View Post
    So the application is very clunky compared to CPS 16 Build 828. I'm going to throw a fit when I am forced to use this with my customers. I am not a fan of this RM converted product.
    Neither is anyone else!
    Apparently NOT a radio professional.

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    This is what happens when a company hires MBA grads who know nothing about the industry. Some dummy grad says "Hey, why aren't we generating a guaranteed revenue stream here? Geeez..someone was really stupid before me. I'm going to fix this and make everyone think I'm super smart!"

    Ugh. No. It doesn't work like that, millennial. (no offense to millennials!)

    Motorola just made themselves an even more undesirable company. I know I speak for many techs when I say maintaining a rental pool of MOTOTRBO radios (and programming them) is a major PITA, compared to Kenwood. Can't clone codeplugs with different EIDs. Can't program older codeplug templates (version) into newer radio, otherwise you risk wiping hidden XML data that screws audio and other things over. Nothing is simple. Software is slow. Ever program a Connect Plus radio before? Flash Option Board. Program Connect Plus codeplug. Program Connect Plus frequency file. Program CPS codeplug. Moto couldn't have integrated all of that into one small programming utility that doesn't take 10 seconds to click between fields?

    Kenwood was so easy. The radios didn't take 15 seconds to turn on, either.

    Oh, and for those who haven't performed a firmware upgrade on a Kenwood before. This will blow your mind, heh. Download a small file (K523, the latest NX xx0 firmware) is 1.8MB. Use FPro.exe (bundled with Kenwood software) and power radio on holding down two buttons. Flash takes about 2-3 minutes. Done. Painless. No nonsense. No iButtons. No software "maintenance agreement" crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    This is what happens when a company hires MBA grads who know nothing about the industry. Some dummy grad says "Hey, why aren't we generating a guaranteed revenue stream here? Geeez..someone was really stupid before me. I'm going to fix this and make everyone think I'm super smart!"

    Ugh. No. It doesn't work like that, millennial. (no offense to millennials!)

    Motorola just made themselves an even more undesirable company. I know I speak for many techs when I say maintaining a rental pool of MOTOTRBO radios (and programming them) is a major PITA, compared to Kenwood. Can't clone codeplugs with different EIDs. Can't program older codeplug templates (version) into newer radio, otherwise you risk wiping hidden XML data that screws audio and other things over. Nothing is simple. Software is slow.

    Kenwood was so easy. The radios didn't take 15 seconds to turn on, either.
    I'd strongly recommend trying out the new NX5000 line if you haven't. I'm extremely pleased with my dual band NX5700/5800 mobile setup. Cheaper new than a used APX7500 V/U brick and it does P25 and DMR. While they don't have dual band portables out yet you can get a loaded single band P25 and DMR HT for sub-$1000 if you have good friends.

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    Usually just having customer compare the volume and channel pots on NX3000/5000 to a 7550 does the trick.

    The Gen 1 was a real radio (6550). The 7550 doesn't even have screws holding the housing on, and very cheap pots, plastic, lower audio output than Waris or Jedi, or even Gen1, and joke antenna.

    I think the extremely good audio in CP200d was another "mistake", they better fix it ASAP!!!

    Weird how low tier CP200d has bigger speaker than even Waris, yet top tier 7550 has a POS laptop speaker.

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    The ASTRO25 line was the last acceptable engineering that took place at Motorola. This would have occurred between 2000-2002.

    Audio: even the LTS2000 has better/louder analogue audio than the 7550. I remember working as an electrician‘s assistant in early 1998 when I was 19. My partner and I had a LTS2000 on the 800 SZ To keep in touch with the office. I recall turning the volume up on that thing, to compensate for a noisy work environment, and we could hear no problem. It was louder than any mobile ham radio I had ever played with.

    The 7550 is not all that bad. Still louder than any ham radio portable, like the ICOM ID-51A. I could never figure out why audio in these damn things, and scanners, is so neglected.

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