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    FCC ID AZ492FT7124
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    Bluetooth... about friggin' time!

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    The BSM and Install Manual are posted on MOL but of course, it's not listed under APX mobile

    Product Information Manuals Two-Way Mobile General Information

    MN005718A01_AA Enhanced Single Band Mobile Radio Basic Service Manual
    MN005720A01_AA Enhanced Single Band Mobile Radio Installation Manual

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    Well, at least there are other head options for a 4500 now than O2.

    Love how they kept the mini-UHF for RF but used QMAs for GPS and BT/wifi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorola_otaku View Post
    Well, at least there are other head options for a 4500 now than O2.
    I've been running O5 heads on 4500s with no issue. Original "AN" versions bought in early 2016.
    Other than limited channel/mode capacity (512), they are great for small size dash mount applications as the radio body isn't as deep.
    And it uses the older thumbscrews not the stupid hex bolts with the 6500/7500/8500, makes installation easier.
    Your streaming makes me AES-256. Keep it up and you'll soon have nothing to listen to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS2000DES View Post
    I've been running O5 heads on 4500s with no issue. Original "AN" versions bought in early 2016.
    Cool, good to know. Anyone know if it's flash option/firmware dependent, or if it's a Li/non-Li thing like the 6500s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjxts3000 View Post
    Bluetooth... about friggin' time!
    Nope! The O2 and O7 head have had Bluetooth since day 1. Motorola has stated multiple times that they have no plans to ever actually be able to use that Bluetooth

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioinstl View Post
    Nope! The O2 and O7 head have had Bluetooth since day 1. Motorola has stated multiple times that they have no plans to ever actually be able to use that Bluetooth
    Right...I knew that already, but the new BN control units have a WiFi/BT antenna connector. The FCC docs show it. Do they plan to allow for BT programming?

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    No Bluetooth will be supported

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    I hate to be pedantic, but is that meant to be:-

    Quote Originally Posted by radioinstl View Post
    No, Bluetooth will be supported.
    Or,

    Quote Originally Posted by radioinstl View Post
    No Bluetooth will be supported.
    Two very different meanings there.

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    There will be no support for Bluetooth.

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    Then what’s this? (See page 10 of 16 in the PDF linked below ...labeled as page “64”)
    https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicat...tml?id=4472160

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    Bad link. Maybe you are confused. You stated " but the new BN control units have a WiFi/BT antenna connector." The connector on the back is Wifi only not Wifi and BT. The O2 and O7 heads have built in BT since day one. Motorola has not and has no intention of supporting the current O2 and O7 head bluetooth capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorola_otaku View Post
    Cool, good to know. Anyone know if it's flash option/firmware dependent, or if it's a Li/non-Li thing like the 6500s?
    Nothing special flash wise I am aware of. Here is the Flashcode of what the radio was ordered with in 2016 and still in there today, unmolested:
    941048-G13490-4-000000-000000

    Current F/W is 20.33, but I've had the O5 head on there since it was at 14.51, native codeplug shows it in the menu as a valid CH option, notice the only two CHs are the O2 and O5 (factory codeplug shown below):
    APX4500.JPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by radioinstl View Post
    Bad link. Maybe you are confused. You stated " but the new BN control units have a WiFi/BT antenna connector." The connector on the back is Wifi only not Wifi and BT. The O2 and O7 heads have built in BT since day one. Motorola has not and has no intention of supporting the current O2 and O7 head bluetooth capability.
    Installation guide 3 of 4
    https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repor...id=AZ492FT7124

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    If you search for AZ492FT4915 (APX 4500 UHF from 2013), the frequency justification letter never lists any BT/WiFi freqs. The frequency justification letter for AZ492FT7124 lists both BT and WiFi.

    https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repor...id=AZ492FT4915

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    That is correct since the O2 and O7 head have Bluetooth in it and have to have FCC CERT, but the radio does not do anything with the BT

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    From the BSM (not saying you're wrong radiosnstl)

    Transceiver Board – The controller portion of this board contains digital hardware (microcontroller, memory, logic, and supporting peripherals) governing radio operation, servicing all radio inputs and outputs, and processing all voice and data. It includes a dual-core processor (MCU and DSP cores), the processor memory devices, an audio and power supply support IC, an audio CODEC and audio PA, and MACE (Type 3 Secure IC). In addition, it contains a GNSS (GPS/GLONASS) IC and support circuitry, a combination WLAN/Bluetooth capable IC and support circuitry, and supporting hardware for external accessory interfaces such as RS232, USB, SB9600, and logic signals.

    The Controller is a section of the radio that contains the following elements:
    • Voltage regulators and data communication circuitry (RS232, USB, and SB9600)
    • Microcontroller, FLASH IC, SDRAM IC
    • Transceiver Board interface connector
    • CODEC and Audio circuitry
    • Power Management and Voltage Regulator IC
    • Emergency circuitry
    • Secure IC
    • Edge connector interface for control head or Transceiver Interface Board (TIB)
    • Rear accessory connector for additional accessories
    • GNSS circuitry
    • WLAN/Bluetooth circuitry

    The power to all the controller devices is provided by the CPCAP IC and the external switching and linear regulators on board. The CPCAP IC also provides the 32.768 kHz clock to the OMAP L138 and to the WLAN/Bluetooth IC, and provides a 4.8 MHz clock to the MACE encryption IC. OMAP L138 main reference clock, 19.2 MHz, is supplied from the FGU section

    A GNSS IC consisting of a Global Positioning System (GPS) and GLONASS receiver, an IC that combines a WLAN transceiver (IEEE 802.11 b/g/n) and a Bluetooth 4.0 capable transceiver, and a 3- axis accelerometer. The GNSS IC interfaces with the OMAP L138 processor through a shared I2C bus. The WLAN/Bluetooth IC interfaces with the OMAP L138 processor through a 4-bit SDIO bus.

    The radio has the ability to connect to a wireless network access point utilizing the WLAN/Bluetooth IC. The IC supports IEEE 802.11 b/g/n data rate standards and the 802.11i security standard. When this feature is enabled, Wi-Fi allows the radio to be wirelessly updated with a new codeplug and radio software without the need for connecting the MMP or MAP USB cable. The Wi-Fi AP name and password need to be set in the codeplug and the radio management software enabled to provide wireless updates. When the radio Wi-Fi is actively connected to an AP, a Receive Signal Strength Indicator (RSSI) is shown on the control head display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS2000DES View Post
    I've been running O5 heads on 4500s with no issue. Original "AN" versions bought in early 2016.
    Have you ever tried an O7 on an early 4500 mobile?
    It's the same lineage so really it should work unless they intentionally restricted it in firmware, but of course per their compatibility matrix it shouldn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRENT310 View Post
    Have you ever tried an O7 on an early 4500 mobile?
    It's the same lineage so really it should work unless they intentionally restricted it in firmware, but of course per their compatibility matrix it shouldn't work.
    Being that the options for configuring the O7 in the codeplug don't even show up on the original (as shipped) 14.51 codeplug I posted, I doubt it would work, same with the O3. I do have an O3 and TIB sitting around, so I may throw it on there to see what happens.
    Being there is no way in CPS to configure the side buttons in the CPS, if it does work, it wouldn't be fully functional.
    Your streaming makes me AES-256. Keep it up and you'll soon have nothing to listen to.

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    Spoke with a friend who bought a 4500 that came with an O3 head. Looks like it's doable.
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