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    Default XTL5000 Consolette programming

    The consolette has RS232 signals on one of the rear panel accessory connectors. The usual procedure to program one of these things is pop the housing open, and plug a programming cable directly into the brick. From the manual:

    To configure the codeplug of the ASTRO Digital XTL 5000 Consolette using ASTRO 25 Mobile CPS
    (RVN4185_), the XTL 5000 transceiver must be connected directly to the PC. The PC must be
    connected directly to the 26-pin accessory connector on the XTL 5000 transceiver using either a
    USB (HKN6163_) or RS232 (HKN6160_) mobile data cable, and not to the accessory connectors on
    the rear panel of the consolette.
    However, that's a pain in the **** that I'd like to avoid if possible.

    Despite what the manual says, does programming via the consolette accessory connector work?


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    It did on the AS series however it used a different cable than the front DB25 connector on the mobile. That is so crazy they changed it on the XTL.

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    Just purchase/sell a program cable and hook it up to the radio and leave the serial connector hanging out the back of the consolette case. Then when you need to program the radio just connect to the serial cable and do your business and leave it there all the time. Simple solution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorf411 View Post
    Just purchase/sell a program cable and hook it up to the radio and leave the serial connector hanging out the back of the consolette case. Then when you need to program the radio just connect to the serial cable and do your business and leave it there all the time. Simple solution!
    Not OP....but I'm not going to buy 10 cables for 10 consolettes to leave in there.
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    Does this still not work? http://batlabs.com/astconscbl.html

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    For an ASTRO Spectra it'd be fine. You program those via a RIB over the SB9600 bus

    XTL is programmed via straight up RS232 or USB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorf411 View Post
    Just purchase/sell a program cable and hook it up to the radio and leave the serial connector hanging out the back of the consolette case. Then when you need to program the radio just connect to the serial cable and do your business and leave it there all the time. Simple solution!
    It's considered bad form in base station/repeater implementation and practice to leave danglers. Besides looking fugly, cables, especially unterminated ones, act like antennas in a high RF environment and will pick up stray noise and/or RF. An old repeater mentor of mine taught me for stations with test panels in them or local monitor speaker sets, etc., to unplug the panel/speaker connections, etc. both for the aforementioned spurious signal issues as well as operational security - someone in the Penthouse can't hear the repeater traffic from the local paging monitor speaker, although now that the stations are digital mostly deals with that problem. Generally a bad idea if it can be avoided. If not, terminating the signals to ground with resistors or diodes is the next best solution.

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    Usually a consollette (or any radio, really) is a set it and forget it type affair. Does not seem worth the time to me.

    Is there a reason for this?
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    Because I'd rather just plug a cable into the rear than turn off the radio, unplug all the cables, pull the radio out of the rack, carry it over to the bench, open it up, plug the power in, plug the programming cable into the brick, program the radio, unplug the programming cable, unplug the power, put the lid back on, carry the radio back over to the rack, put the radio back in the rack, plug the audio connectors and RF cables back in, plug the power back in, and turn the radio back on.

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    To answer OP's question, since I literally just tried it the other day - yes, the RS232 on the back accessory connector works fine to program (for a XTL5000 VHF consolette, not that it should matter)
    Last edited by sloosecannon; 1 Week Ago at 06:32 AM. Reason: what the hell is RS-282? I don't know...

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    Syntrx,

    There is another option. Pop the lid just enough to get inside, and use an HKN6155 Astro Spectra+ RS232 program/flash cable in the keyload port. Don't need to get to the accessory port, nor do you need to pull the brick. Maybe a USB serial adaptor on your cable, but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason View Post
    Syntrx,

    There is another option. Pop the lid just enough to get inside, and use an HKN6155 Astro Spectra+ RS232 program/flash cable in the keyload port. Don't need to get to the accessory port, nor do you need to pull the brick. Maybe a USB serial adaptor on your cable, but that's it.
    ...this is literally in the first post.
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    Actually, no it isn't. Not talking about the 26 pin accessory port described in the manual snippet, nor the cable P/N's listed. Via the flashport/keyload port, that with an Astro Spectra+ cable you can also service the radio.

    From the front, popping the lid just slightly, not requiring a total dismantle you can reach in and plug in. When they are racked, this way is especially handy.

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