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    Default Part Numbers for various Entitlement IDs (EIDs)

    Here's a list I've put together. I'm sure it's not complete, but it's a start:


    EID Part Numbers

    HKLN4427A - Capacity Plus Single Site Digital Trunking - XPR Repeater
    HKLN4429A - Digital subscriber upgrade (3600bps 800/900 MHz units converted for conventional/DMR)
    HKLN4442A - RDAC Multiple System Monitoring - CPS
    HKLN4456A - Dynamic Mixed Mode - XPR Repeaters
    HKLN4439A - Capacity Plus Repeater License
    HKVN4044A - Dynamic Mixed Mode - MTR Repeaters
    HKVN4045A - Capacity Plus License Key - MTR3000
    HKVN4046A - 20/25 KHz Channel Bandwidth License Key - CPS
    HKVN4047A - IP Repeater Programming - CPS
    HKVN4048A - Enhanced Scheduled GPS - Repeater
    HKVN4049A - Digital Telephone Interconnect - XPR Repeater
    HKVN4055A - Enhanced GPS
    HKVN4066A - Digital Telephone Interconnect - MTR Repeaters
    HKVN4084A - Enhanced Privacy License Key (TRBO 1.0 series radios)
    HKVN4085A - Transmit Interupt (Encode) License Key
    HKVN4088A - Bluetooth Data Services (TRBO 1.0 series radios)
    HKVN4089A - Linked Capacity Plus Upgrade (From Capacity Plus) - XPR Repeaters
    HKVN4177A - Restricted Access to System (RAS) - XPR repeaters

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    The most common ones for us hammies, will be:

    - HKVN4046A - 20/25 KHz Channel Bandwidth License Key - CPS
    - HKLN4456A - Dynamic Mixed Mode - XPR Repeaters

    The wideband channel key is FREE. But you must provide the following information:

    * Proof of TRBO CPS license (MOL subscription to TRBO CPS)
    * Proof of FCC waiver or NON-U.S. CUSTOMER


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    Nice work. I believe EIDs are market specific, e.g. a North American EID won't work on a European radio.

    For EMEA radios (DP/DM series):

    HKVN4058A - 5-tone signalling
    HKVN4059A - Enhanced Privacy
    HKVN4060A - Transmit Interrupt encode
    HKVN4061A - Capacity Plus (DP2000 series)
    HKVN4062A - Capacity Plus to Linked Capacity Plus upgrade (DP2000 series)
    HKVN4064A - Digital Telephone Patch (Repeaters)
    HKVN4100A - Linked Capacity Plus full upgrade (DP2000 series)

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    It would make an interesting experiment. To have a AA EID, remove the AA CPS and install EMEA CPS (run it) then reinstall the AA and see if the EID was still there.

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    Added HKVN4177A - Restricted Access to System (RAS) - XPR repeaters, to the master list in first post.

    If anyone has the p/n for the MTR3000 (RAS), that would be great. These p/n's are not coming up on MOL when I search with my account, but a Moto dealer I checked with can see them.

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    A price list would be nice, too.

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    Problem is, the prices vary depending on who you are and how your account is provisioned.

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    Wait, you have to pay for enhanced GPS and IP repeater programming in NA? It's included for free with all the repeaters I've bought in EMEA.

    One funny thing I noticed. If you buy a full LCP licence and activate it on a repeater, it won't let you use CP as well. However, if you first buy the CP licence and then the LCP upgrade (the total of which is equal to the full LCP licence), you can use both. Why make it different if the price ends up being the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    Problem is, the prices vary depending on who you are and how your account is provisioned.
    How come? And do they vary by much? Estimates would be great.

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    Because dealers pay less than list price, smaller dealers pay more than larger dealers, and large high value direct customers (such as state governments) get better pricing than the man on the street who owns three radios.

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    Go figure it IS all about the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars View Post
    Added HKVN4177A - Restricted Access to System (RAS) - XPR repeaters, to the master list in first post. If anyone has the p/n for the MTR3000 (RAS), that would be great. These p/n's are not coming up on MOL when I search with my account, but a Moto dealer I checked with can see them.
    RAS for MTR3K = HKVN4178 $250.00 list

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    RAS for MTR3K = HKVN4178 $250.00 list

    Anybody have an idea what Canada Full Frequency Range is as an application feature? The repeater is 403-470 anyways?!?!?

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    Canada Full Frequency Range = 866-869 MHz.

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    HKVN4241A - AES Entitlement (in EMEA at least)

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    Does HKVN4241A come up on a MOL search for you? Or did you get that P/N from somewhere else? I get the "please refine your search criteria" crap. No results.

    What price is it showing?

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    Negative.

    I actually got it from here, a blog belonging to a Motorola Germany employee:
    http://cwh050.blogspot.com/2014/01/m...ng-up-aes.html

    A lot of EMEA stuff is nowhere to be seen on the North America MOL (which I have access to, but I have no access to EMEA.) Normally if it exists in the system at all, it'll say so but tell you the item isn't in your catalog.

    I'm going to ask around and see if I know anyone who can find it...

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    Found an advertised price. €250, or about $340 USD. Jesus.

    http://www.oppermann-telekom.de/dp3400-zubehoer.html

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    That's way too much cash. Almost more than the radio is worth.

    I would *consider* purchasing these EIDs under one condition: The audio degradation which occurs when using enhanced digital privacy is no longer an issue. If Moto has fixed that with the symmetric keys option (AES), then I might just go for it.

    IMO, AES should be a free upgrade, considering how insecure ADP/EDP (40-bit RC4) is. Modern hardware can yield a ADP/EDP key within seconds. I was told about a certain flaw in the implementation as well, but I'll hold off on elaborating as the person familiar with it should be the one posting.

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    I'm reliably informed ADP has it's share of issues, so I wouldn't be surprised if Enhanced Privacy has something similar.

    Proper support for AES and DES is actually being worked into the DMR standards properly, rather than in the half arsed way Motorola built Enhanced Privacy. It'll be very interesting to see what they do when that part of the standard is ratified.

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    I use enhanced acrross my whole network (no clear). so far enhanced (ADP) has worked fine. The larger AES keys will just provide greater security 40 bit vs 256 bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notarola View Post
    I use enhanced acrross my whole network (no clear). so far enhanced (ADP) has worked fine. The larger AES keys will just provide greater security 40 bit vs 256 bit.
    There's a lot of speculation that they've just done it the Enhanced Privacy way, but I haven't yet seen any evidence either way.

    The main problems with Enhanced Privacy are that:

    • Motorola made room for the crypto by stealing bits from the vocoder, hence the drop in audio quality
    • It's proprietary to Motorola
    • It's not particularly secure


    Right now the DMR standard does not specify how security is to be implemented, and it doesn't provide an easy way of making this happen, hence Motorola's "innovative" implementation. That's changing in a future release of the standard, which will add proper P25-style standardised support for RC4, DES, AES128 and AES256 while retaining support for legacy proprietary crypto implementations.

    I'd love to know how the AES implementation on MOTOTRBO actually works; whether they've just done what they did with Enhanced Privacy and used AES instead, or whether they've followed the new proposed standard. The Moto employee who owns that blog I posted the URL for earlier seems to be implying they've actually done the latter.

    If true, this means AES on TRBO shouldn't have EP's audio quality shortcomings, and it will be able to interoperate with AES secured Hytera equipment, which as of Hytera's Release 5.0 DOES follow the standard.

    There's also a body of work to standardise location services (using TETRA's LIP protocol, instead of Motorola LRRP etc), text messaging, and infrastructure interoperability to sort out the current mess where equipment from different vendors only interoperates at a very basic level. There will also be a formal interoperability testing scheme like P25 and TETRA, which I think is at least partly off the ground now.
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    Anyone have an EID for Connect Plus on a Subscriber Unit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWizard View Post
    Anyone have an EID for Connect Plus on a Subscriber Unit?
    A little late to the party but this is what I got when I ordered back in January for a UHF XPR6550.


    Part Number: HKLN4457A
    Description: NA CONNECT PLUS SUBSCRIBER LICENSE

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    Would anyone happen to know the EID for Enhanced Privacy on an XPR3300/3500??

    Edit: Disregard... Found it in my MOL catalog. #HKVN4084A ... so apparently same part # for 1.x or 2.x radios.

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    Does anyone happen to know the EID for IPSC? I'm picking up an XPR2500 and am assuming it won't have EDP or IPSC in it. EID for enhanced privacy listed above looks valid on my MOL account, but I can't find IPSC to save my life.