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    I scored a UHF 380-470 EF Johnson 5100 the other day and would love to get it up and running. I've been told they do NOT need to affiliate to monitor a 9600 system. I would appear they use a proprietary type of system key. Does anyone have any insight?

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    My understanding is that the johnson key will do P25 compliant trunking. Motorola 9600 baud trunking is not the same thing. There is no system locally here for me to check out so all I can do is repeat what I know as a general statement.

    I have not seen a johnson system key so I have no information on what it opens etc.

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    Thanks for the reply. Info on EFJ is difficult to track down.

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    I wouldnt mind seeing a EFJ key if you or anyone has one.

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    I have yet to find one, but will definitely share anything I learn.

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    I have not seen it myself, but a good friend is a system admin for a county wide 450 P25 trunking system and he has EFJ's that will monitor the system with no affiliation. The infrastructure is Motorola, most subscribers are also but there are some EFJ, and Kenwood units on the system also. He has tested the Icoms, and they do NOT need a system key of any kind (that was about a year ago).

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    Thread moved from Lounge, to new EF Johnson forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS4 View Post
    a county wide 450 P25 trunking system (EDIT) The infrastructure is Motorola
    Is it a 3600 or 9600 baud system? Interesting on the Kenwoods working on it too, there might be another system key to look into

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    It is a 9600 system. They have also tested the Icoms, but they don't require a system key so the admins do not want anyone buying the Icoms.

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    I wouldnt want icoms on the system either for that reason.

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    The EF Johnson system keys are 64 Bit Key Files . And are Made the Same way as the OPT Files Are Made . How Ever you can Enter a Trunked system without the syskey . you can do the Motorola Radios the same way also with out the Key File or Key Dongle . It's not all that Hard . Motorola and EF Johnson will tell you that you need the system Dongle in order for you to get th radio on the target system . But not true if you know what you are doing . There is aways a Backdoor . lol
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    Care to elaborate?
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    No doubt the software can be edited up to enable the key field or something similar. Any information on doing this is always of interest. It would still be of interest to see a key for EFJ.

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    Here is what efj calls a Dummy Syskey . But will give everyone something to play with .
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    Here is what the system key looks Like when you open it with a Hex Editor Program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS44 View Post
    Here is what efj calls a Dummy Syskey . But will give everyone something to play with .
    Now THAT's what I'm talkin' about! Thank you!

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    Thank You and Enjoy .
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    I believe the dummy key comes up as 0001. I had a way to use the codeplug with the dummy key then save it. Open hex editor and change the sys ID in codeplug file then re open with pcc and write to radio.

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    The dummy key loads up as SID 1234.

    Interesting mod medic. using a dummy to cretate the TG info etc and the hex edit the SID in the codeplug. Im not sure if there is a CRC routine in the codeplug I would tend to believe that there is.

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    no there isnt. i used this method before to change it.. how to tell the right spot is i believe it comes after the unit id number in the codeplug

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    51sl with ver 4.10

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    Has anyone come across a P25 system key yet?

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    They are all P25 compliant. from looking at other keys from other suppliers. The big differance is the sid type identifier. For P25 there is a contol bit that identifies between legacy and P25.

    from research todate there are keys for EFJ (this topic), Kenwood (possibly a hardware only device), Tait. Needless to say any information on these other syskeys would be desirable by everyone.

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    I understand that you can do p25 with all keys. How do you mod the key so it recognizes as a p25 trunking system?

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    You can see what your esn of the EF Johnson Radio Via PCC . Just got to Transfere , then to Read Version Information from radio . However the ef johnson 64bit system keys do not have any ESN in it . Just the system data .
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