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Astro Spectra Plus Acting Badly

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4n6inv

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I have a high power Astro Spectra Plus VHF with a W3 HHCH that is behaving strangely.

Summary of Radio:

The vocon is an "A" Rev. (4MB) that was transplanted from a W7 800MHz high power by a friend, transplanted into a Consolette and re-tuned. Worked great for 7 months. I got a pristine W3 VHF Astro Spectra high power drawer (previously mentioned in another post) and transplanted the vocon into it. I changed the head type and re-tuned it to the high power drawer specs. I replaced my mid-power (Once completely refurbished by MexiMoto) W3 Astro Spectra with the HP drawer, and downsized the features, removing trunking, etc. that I would never use - in the interest of making the programming easier. It has an Astro Spectra Plus UCM with DES-XL, DES-OFB, and AES256.

The radio read and wrote with the factory cable a number of times without issue. Worked great! I was able to hear the local SO over 120 miles away (Factory installed preamp). All was well. Output was the full 110 watts with no reflected power into a 1/4 wave rigid roof mount antenna.

I read an article on this site about building a programming cable that uses only a DB-25 into the accessory port and a DB-9 straight into the computer. No workie. I tried reading the radio with my factory programming cable that plugs into the keyloader jack. It no workie, either. Uh, oh; I thought. But, the radio continued to perform without a hitch for several months.

Over the past 3 weeks, I noticed that the backlighting on my W3 was off. "Slip of the button press"; I thought. It happened several times. I pressed the dedicated backlight On / Off button several times but no backlight. I thought that one of the white SMD backlight LED's may be loose. I pressed it a couple more times and the backlighting came back on. I replaced the W3 with an exact duplicate. 1 week, no problems. This week, I noticed the same behavior a couple of times.

In addition to that; I noticed that I was unable to hear the volume (usually set at 6). I ran it up to 12 to hear at what I was used to hearing, volume-wise. A couple of miles down the road, it nearly blew me out of the car. I rocked the volume back down to 6 and it worked at a normal level. Since then; the same scenarios have happened 3-4 times. Not the W3, since I've tried it in the mid-power without issue.

Another REAL oddity: In one of my zones, I have an agency that has 2 channels. With Scan activated in that zone; it works fine and scans everything in that zone, including the 2 frequency agency. But; if I scroll down onto one of the afore mentioned channels, the scan icon disappears and scan ceases. Both channels are assigned to that scan list and enabled in the software. Weird!

I don't know if I somehow damaged the command board trying to read with the home-brew cable, or if I somehow corrupted the codeplug. I can't imagine the latter, since it never tried to read the radio.

Anyone with similar experience(s), or an opinion as to where I should begin the quest of troubleshooting? This type of behavior isn't exactly defined in the DSM, so I' shooting in the dark.

Thanks!

Jim
 

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Has that radio been re-capped?
 
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First thing I did. The radio is still acting the same way. Functional, but irritating and unpredictable. I'm thinking of swapping the command board, but the codeplug could be weird. too. In fact; I know it is. I have MPL enabled, and it allows me to put 43+ MPL's in the table, as opposed to the normal 16.
 

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I've seen wonky behavior like this before when an AS+ vocon was band-changed with depot and had a new codeplug forced in. Zero issues with factory-built radios.

Is the firmware maxed out as HOST 9/DSP 16?
 
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Info is as follows:

Firmware R09.00.41
Tuning R01.09.00
Bootloader R01.02.20
DSP R19.00.00

When I changed the CH type using "That which shall not be mentioned", I built a flashcode based on another sites utility to create the string with the features that I wanted. It's really a pretty bare bones flash because I didn't need a lot of features. It seemed to work fine for six + months until I tried building the homebrew serial cable to KVL port programming cable. As I mentioned before; it just didn't read at all. No errors, other than the CPS fail to read message. And; after that; my factory cable no longer works either. That's why I'm leaning towards the command board, although I can't imagine what that little adventure could have screwed up. I double checked the pinouts on the homebrew cable and they were spot on. Just didn't work with my radio.

Actually; I can't remember now if it was serial to KVL or serial to DB25... It was posted on this site. I'd have to look further.
 

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Have you checked the battery in your RIB lately? They can cause weird or improper operation when they get low...
 

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RIB not used with ASTRO25 radios, including AS+.
 

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Duh... Sorry - brain fart.

Issues with backlights in the W3/HHCH seem to be common lately, I seem to remember recently others were having problems with intermittent or problematic backlights.

As for the programming problem, try putting the VOCON back into the original radio and see if you can talk to it. Also you might try to make a simple dashmount if you have the adapter block for the front panel, to use as a "programming jig". I have had problems with programming some consolettes and high-power radios before, but the basic dashmount mobile configuration seems to be the most trouble-free as far as programming/flashing issues.
 
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What I don't understand is that it worked great, both as a consolette, and as a high power remote for around six months each. Now, granted the 40+ member MPL list was something I'd never seen before; but the radio didn't act weird in any way. In fact, the tuning was, and still is top notch. It's the annoying bugs that piss me off.

Also; bear in mind, with the AS+ and a W3, you can't adjust the contrast which tends to give you a grayish hue on the display, but that wasn't a deal breaker. I guess, none of this is, either - until it comes time to read / write the radio. That's the point where I'm REALLY going to be pissed.

I'm going with swapping out the command board after the holidays and see if that gets me anywhere. I don't think a hosed codeplug would cause intermittent problems like these. Seems like that would be a full time quirk.
 
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