DUAL XTL radio with SINGLE O5 control head...

[tvsjr]

Passive monitoring is another

 

[grandnational]

Not to forget, the Orion/M7100s don't use proprietary connectors for their control cables either. Standard D-sub series connectors. (DB-25, DC-37) Building cables if you need/want to is quite easy. A very different philosophy from Motorola.

 

[escomm]

Welp I went to order another one as a backup for my old man and the control heads have more than doubled in price. List price is now $800, having been $281.40 less than a month ago. Fortunately they cable is still a bit south of $300 though I expect that will change soon as well.

 

[escomm]

Not only are the control heads unreasonably priced, Motorola is now "managing their inventory allocation based on business needs"

i.e. you order a control head and you have to get permission from the product planner to have the in stock inventory released

Lame

 

[grandnational]

Wow, smooth move M !

:alec:

 

[HA5BRG]

I am not familiar with dual XTL configuration, I'd like to get some info. I have searched the net, but I have found no useful info.

Here are a few questions to you guys, maybe someone can help.

- is there a master and a slave radio?
- can the user set the channels / volume levels / selective calling parameters individually?
- is it possible to TX or RX Rx simultaneously with both radios?
- is it possible to set up the radios to act like a crossband repeater (from VHF to UHF and from UHF to VHF)?
- how can the user select radio "A" or radio "B" from the control head?

Thanks in advance!

 

[JMR061]

There is no dual radio xtl setup except for the rare w3 kit.

 

[HA5BRG]

Yes I know that but I have found no answers to my questions above on the net.

 

[com501]

The XTL W3 package simply provides the means to 'merge' two radios into one package.

There is no master or slave radio.
The radio channels can be accessed in any order in either radio, sequentially from the control head.
There is one volume setting.
It is possible to receive on both radios simultaneously (configurable in radio wide) but not TX.
There is no crossband repeater function whatsoever.
Selecting the radio package is by selecting the channel. At least in mine it was.
I have seen some O3 packages that were slightly different.
Both the O3 and the W3 package exist for the XTL, I have a set of bench cables for both.

 

[k101]

Oh Boy here he goes again!, Com501, We are still waiting to see this so called XTL5000 03 HHCH Dual Cable you insist on telling us that it exists but you cannot provide a picture or any actual evidence of it's existence even as it's on your work bench, Please don’t try and say I cannot take a picture of it because men in black suits are going to kidnap me Lol This Dose not work on this forum Maybe people from RR forum would believe that.

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Com501 Please stop saying that the XTL5000 03 HHCH Dual radio exists when you cannot provide actual and factual evidence!!!!

 

[tsunami_australia]

But his NDA may just actually stop him being able to release such information. Usually an NDA covers all technology related to the job (which obviously includes the cables) and breach of NDA allows for legal issues.

 

[com501]

Besides the fact that I would lose my job.

There is a service manual for it. I have a set, both the BSM and the DSM. The radio functions pretty much like the W3 version. The manuals come from a different facility issuer.

You want to see one, go work for someone who uses it, or become a servicer for someone who has the GSA contract for maintenance. If you get REALLY lucky, you might get to see one from the back seat, when you get arrested. Maybe.

There is a ton of SP stuff out there. I have no idea how many of these got made. Most of the TLAs have gone to APX dual band radios now, a much simpler arrangement. I expect to see these phased out very shortly. And no, since they are a controlled item on an 1149, I don't expect to see any float out into the community. Even the test spares are on hand receipts. So sorry, Melbourne, even if I could, you could never get one anyway, since its a controlled export item. Give it a rest.

 

[syntrx]

So sorry, Melbourne, even if I could, you could never get one anyway, since its a controlled export item.

Bull****. It's a cable (well, if it existed it would be.) If you really thought you could lose your job talking about it, you wouldn't be shooting your mouth off on a public web forum about it in the first place.

Otherwise, what's the ECCN for this cable? There's nothing about dual head land mobile radio cables in EAR Category 5. Export regs are not new to me, given my professional background which a couple of people on this board can vouch for.

 

[d119]

Guys - nothing wrong with some debate on the matter, but please keep it civil. That's all we ask.

 

[MotFAN]

Very secret cables... So secret that they can't be called by name. Like Voldemort. Okay.

 

[k101]

Phantom Dual 03 HHCH XTL-5000

OMG Com501 lol, No turning back for you now with this so-called phantom Dual 03 HHCH XTL-5000 you service on a regular basis and have test cables on your work bench & "Manuals Now"..
Com501, Did State in a previous post, This phantom XTL5000 Dual 03 HHCH radio dose use the Standard CPS Version R20.00.00 and the phantom XTL5000 Dual 03 HHCH radio firmware is R19.5

And in the drop down menu it has a special option 'Guard TX'. located in Radio Wide Menu, in Advance II menu and you can selected Under the Multi radio system type Dual Radio, Hot Red Receiver and wait for it 'Guard TX'

This must be so special and secret that the Standard CPS Version R20,00.00 does not recognize ‘Guard’ or “Guard TX” when you try to do a search for (Guard or Guard TX) in Hex workshop using the text search. (funny that!)

Comm501 has also stated in a previous post that the phantom Dual 03 HHCH XTL-5000 has this flash code 8468D-C40680-

8468D-C40680-3

G806 ASTRO IMBE Digital Operation

G114 Enhanced Digital ID Display

G298 Hardware Multikey Encryption w/ OTAR

G474 Multi Radio Software

W12 Preamp

G507 12.5 kHz FCC Mandate

G996 Over the Air Provisioning

G48 Conventional Systems Operation

G50 SmartNet Systems Operation

G51 SmartZone Systems Operation

H04 Conventional Tactical Rekey

W391 ASTRO 25 Trunking Radio Authentication

G352 User Definable Soft ID

G387 Conventional Voting Scan

G173 SmartZone Omnilink MultiZone Operation

G361 ASTRO 25 9600 Baud Trunking

Why would the radio have G50 Smartnet and G51 Smartzone in the same radio??

Surely disclosing the Flashcode and Band Split information to a public forum would be grounds for instant dismissal under your NDA!! (I guess your gonna be fired from your mother’s basement Now!)

If anyone here has access to certain tools that can create the flash code above And have it enable with 05/03 Head/HHCH and tries to enable the Dual Radio option in the drop down menu you will find the drop down box is greyed out and cannot be enabled, Unless you change the head to a W3 only then it will let you select Dual radio.

This may have been more credible if Com501 insisted that this phantom Dual 03 HHCH XTL-5000 needed an SP version of CPS

I would gladly take a ride in the back of a Police car to see this phantom Dual 03 HHCH XTL-5000, then I’ll be happy to apologise to you, we both know that's not gonna happen LOL..


The Dual Cable for the phantom Dual 03 HHCH XTL-5000 is “NOW" a controlled item on an 1149, So that prohibits showing pictures of the item in question, can you Please refer me to the website prohibiting the export of a cable or showing pictures of a cable that it a controlled item on an 1149, & what is a 1149 the combination to your chastity belt?


I will never give it a rest until the truth is told!!!

Motorola only made this for Federal Agencies in the O3 configuration. This for TLAs that needed an undercover solution for dual band. Radios are serviced from the Federal Depot, installations are generally handled by a local Motorola radio shop near the agency's offices under annual contract.

This setup is being replaced with the dual band APX mobile as cars come out of service. I have a couple of the installation packages for the XTLs including a spare head for testing here for the bench. I can get part numbers for cabling if they are labelled if the manual referenced doesn't give you what you need. I don't know yet how much of this is going to show up on the used market, I know that eventually the dual packages for the Astro Spectras showed up with the keyload boxes and siren controllers on eBay occasionally.

Funny you are willing to give out part numbers But still no pictures

58468D-C40680-3 VHF-UHFR1

R20, standard release, and yes both radios have G474 along with a rash of other useful options including vote scan, trunking and hardware multikey with OTAR.

Yes, and the firmware is 19.5. None of the multi radio boxes are grayed out as they would be if the G474 option was not present. There is also a drop down choice under multi radio for 'Guard TX'. When I try to get the HHCH to spit out the FW version it says FW SP1 !!

The XTL dual radio package I have on my bench has a color display HHCH with a GCAI connector. Unfortunately, THAT cable doesn't have a part number on it.

They have to be XTL5000, that is the only radio with the feature set to support the control head change and the dual radio setup.

I'm sure its probably an SP, since none of this has labels, and the TLA its for is supposed to be getting APX's very soon. This looks like an interim solution. Interestingly enough, it has the older FBI style siren box with the three switches for the siren plugged into the DB25 on the primary radio with an HLN siren module piggyback cable. Very strange. I can't imagine that they made very many of these.

No I can not, a picture of the radio would disclose who the owner is and would violate my NDA. And I agree, I have NEVER seen one with the color HHCH either, until this one. Only single radios with the O3 but never a dual. The cables look very much factory, but there isn't a single piece of marking anywhere on them, much as if they were built in the plant and sent out as a test or something. Same with the head and radios. The radios have a blank label that says 'XTL5000' on it with the Moto logo only, no other data, and the head has a blank label in place of the normal model number location. I know of at least two of these, the one I am fixing the broken power connector on today, and the one coming in tomorrow that has a pinched cable.

oh there isn't a single piece of marking anywhere on them you say well keep reading

I can't take a picture of it, because its stenciled all over with enough information to quite plainly disclose the nature and use of the equipment as well as the agency, as is the microphone. I have not touched the firmware nor do I dare, nor will I do anything with the programming. The flashcode matches what the feature set displays on the CPS screen, but when I try to get a CH version it gives that weird report. I will not attempt to keyload these either, as they will need to be done after re-install from the customer's KVL. I don't know what the difference is if any with the TIBs, but the cabling is certainly different. Sorry, that's the best I can do. Time to button this up and put it back in. It is VERY weird. I always cringe when I see this SP crap, since no one ever has any docs, and there is basically no support. I always hope there is nothing major wrong with it.

Oh Boy here he goes again!, Com501, We are still waiting to see this so called XTL5000 03 HHCH Dual Cable you insist on telling us that it exists but you cannot provide a picture or any actual evidence of it's existence even as it's on your work bench, Please don’t try and say I cannot take a picture of it because men in black suits are going to kidnap me Lol This Dose not work on this forum Maybe people from RR forum would believe that.

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Com501 Please stop saying that the XTL5000 03 HHCH Dual radio exists when you cannot provide actual and factual evidence!!!!

Besides the fact that I would lose my job.

There is a service manual for it. I have a set, both the BSM and the DSM. The radio functions pretty much like the W3 version. The manuals come from a different facility issuer.

You want to see one, go work for someone who uses it, or become a servicer for someone who has the GSA contract for maintenance. If you get REALLY lucky, you might get to see one from the back seat, when you get arrested. Maybe.

There is a ton of SP stuff out there. I have no idea how many of these got made. Most of the TLAs have gone to APX dual band radios now, a much simpler arrangement. I expect to see these phased out very shortly. And no, since they are a controlled item on an 1149, I don't expect to see any float out into the community. Even the test spares are on hand receipts. So sorry, Melbourne, even if I could, you could never get one anyway, since its a controlled export item. Give it a rest.

 

[tsunami_australia]

Dog with a bone. /sigh. Does it really matter if it does or does not exist? If it does then we are never going to know the full story being SP so what does it matter?

 

[com501]

Dog with a bone. /sigh. Does it really matter if it does or does not exist? If it does then we are never going to know the full story being SP so what does it matter?

It's OK, I've added this jerkoff to my list, and shown the security manager these threads. It probably never occurred to him that at some point the customer would get manuals and provide a set. It doesn't really matter. These folks are converting to APX and switching bands before the end of the year. All this stuff gets boxed up, thrown into the back of a hummer and back to the depot it goes. Perhaps it will show up in DRMO.

He has a good point, though. I can't create a codeplug using certain tools either that works, so perhaps the computer in the lockup has different software than normal. No way to tell, can't even take a cell phone inside the building. >shrug< BFD.

Too busy trying to figure out how Motorola hosed us on the latest APX migration tool, that only seems to work half the time.....

 

[okto]

I will never give it a rest until the truth is told!!!

Then you're a f*****g moron, because it's a cable to connect two radios, not the Watergate scandal. Get a friggin life.

This "you have to show us pictures or you're a whacker liar" thing is getting old. Plenty of people on this board do this for a living, and work with agencies who are real jumpy about OPSEC.

Maybe he won't get fired for posting pictures of the cables, but A, com501 has never shown evidence since I've been lurking of being the type of person who needs to lie about cables to seem cool, and B, why would he even take a chance with his job to gain validation from people who capitalize random words in the middle of sentences and have so little going on that they've declared a vendetta about a cable?

I'll admit it seems hinky that a dual-band radio or the cables to make one are in any way a controlled item, but there's a difference between being overzealous about possibly sensitive info and making up fairy tales. Remember that the three-letter agencies basically don't need anything more than a whim these days to arrest someone. Even easier for them to unofficially ask that com501 not be allowed to work on their accounts, which could easily make him not worth retaining.

 

[Astro Spectra]

OK, that's enough.

It's OK to argue a point, it's OK to call BS, and it's OK to not post material that may not be career enhancing.

It's not OK to insult other members.