GPS Revert Channel on Capacity Plus - Help Required

[oldfart]

Hi guys,

A couple of people are testing TransTRBO Dispatch Console (Freeware to Volunteer Groups - cheap to commercial entities ) on CapPlus networks - they have been of great assistance, but we have run into problems using the GPS Revert Channel (Feature).
(BTW: TransTRBO is an approved Motorola Application.)

Anyway, I don't have access to a CapPlus system and was hoping some of you "out there" may be able to assist in checking our setup and helping see if we are doing something wrong or if it's a Software bug on my part.

So, if you've set up a GPS Revert channel on a CapPlus system, would you please share your knowledge. (I'm happy to send out a full license for testing purposes).

Basically, I have 2 x radio (Base) stations attached to a radio Network, one works as a voice Dispatcher/Recorder/Digital Control Station, the other one is the one I'm hoping to "capture" the GPS Revert Data on - which doesn't appear to be happening.

Using TT on a conventional Network - Polled GPS, or Triggered GPS with Revert channel:- happily answers on the Main Base Station Channel.

cheers
Will B

 

[phonebuff]

Will,

I have always be told, possibly wrongly, that you need a pair of controls stations for each data revert repeater, on for each slot / channel. Have you watched your Data Revert repeater with RDAC.

But Data revert is where we find it starts to become economical for a customer to deploy a DDMS/MNIS server rather than use control stations, specifically if GPS reporting is involved.

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[oldfart]

Hi phonebuff,

Thanks for that info - I'll pass it on to the blokes testing the radios.

DDMS from what I have read, is "functionality" based around a Database and ARS - is that correct?
(Added last: but using info coming from the CapPlus repeater ?).

Also is MNIS (as a purchase) available for both CapPlus and IPSC ? As it appears as there may have been some licensing changes in those areas recently - my /V\ license is due to arrive sometime soon and /V\ referred to several ADKs - but I wasn't 100% with what /V\ meant as I'm just a tech head .


cheers
Will B

mmm Doing a recap on this - I think I have gained a few clues now for the other areas you were referring to - thanks again.

 

[phonebuff]

MOTOTRBO Device Discovery and Mobility Service (DDMS).

MOTOTRBO Network Interface Service) (MNIS)

Both are REQUIRED Windows server / Windows Workstation application(s) if you are going to do Wireline Data.

You must BUY the EID for each Repeater to Enable Wireline data, but the Windows components are available "free" from your MOL account.

Most of the cost / benefit worksheets I have done push you to Wireline VS Control Station once you start looking at GPS data and Data revert repeaters. Linked Cap Plus, it makes even more sense, BUT you will always have the "extra" windows box between your apps and your TRBO system based on current licensing practices.

 

[oldfart]

Hi phonebuff,

Thanks for that - I'll now start spending some time digesting all the ramifications of you last couple of lines ...

cheers
Will
P.S. I've Forwarded your comments to my mate - the Radio guy

 

[oldfart]

Another if you please ... MCDD (Multi Channel Device Driver) - does anyone know exactly what this does - (something simpler or more concise than the /V\ doco would be appreciated).

From the doco it looks like it produces "magic" - but I've never been really sure if it does - or even if it's required.
(There is a definite chance that I may have missed something while reading the doco).

Background:
In my test code that requires concurrent access to 2 x radio's - I normally write 2 x network connections - one to each local network IP for each attached radio (TCP and/or UDP). It seems to work ...

My local IP network test code also has high level retries + timeouts built in - I've found that if MCDD is enabled I get a heap more timeouts on the TCP sessions (or so it appears).

cheers
Will B

 

[phonebuff]

Sorry, no experience with that driver for Windows.

 

[PSEhub]

Everything's working with the revert right now on a test system. TMS, GPS, ARS are all flawless.

Interesting how SmartPTT tells you to uninstall the MCDD for capacity plus configurations. Still trying to dig some more regarding that driver and the considerations associated with it. I think it only pertains to XP.
http://smartptt.com.br/SmartPTT_Tutorial_MotoTRBO_Capacity_Plus.pdf

Also on trbonet's site it states that it is only needed on XP.
http://trbonet.com/download/

"No MCDD required for Windows Vista, Windows7. For Windows XP MCDD required.
Direct Repeater IP Connect and/or Master Radios supported. "

I think the multiple network connection current config is just fine. There doesn't seem to be any reliability issues. Maybe RM uses this driver more extensively, but as long as you configure the "Network > Radio IP" in the codeplug to be on a unique subnet for each control station, all is well (i.e. 192.168.10.1; 192.168.11.1)

The one limitation on Capplus with TransTrbo currently is that I can only monitor one data revert slot (i.e. set one radio ip address to listen for data). In order to test data successfully, I removed slot 2 of the data repeater from the data list in the test subscriber codeplugs to force them to only use slot 1. I have the data revert monitor station set up on conventional on slot 1 of the data repeater and that's my working config.

 

[oldfart]

Hi PSEhub,

Thanks for doing the testing and also for the MCDD info. I'll pass this info up the chain ...

I have never used MCDD with TransTRBO, as I found it didn't appear to be needed and the gobbledy-gook in the /V\ doco didn't help - yours sure does.

Well hopefully that is now sorted and as soon as I've finished my current project (multi 8 x radio Win server/service + networked consoles + remote Radio Heads + VoIP ... http://communications.support/threads/7327-TrboTools-A-new-project-on-the-workbench ) I'll look at the server Data interface.

cheers
Will B

P.S. TransTRBO is STILL Freeware for all Volunteer groups (including Ham groups - and the reason is - because of the help we've received from you Ham guys + Mike, JPW, Ivan, Jon etc)