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Help a new guy out - What drives used XTS pricing?

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Greetings! Long time radio nerd, first time poster. An XTS5K M3 has been on my radio bucket list for a long time and I recently started looking in the various corners of the internet for one. I'm learning as much as I can about flashcodes and software versions and whatnot, but I'm having a hard time determining what the differences are between a $500/600ish radio and an $1100/1200ish radio. I get that FPP adds value. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!

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A lot of it is greed, or people who bought one and paid x, so they feel they should at least get x for it when selling it. Unrealistic hopes, usually, since the radios de-value to about half of retail immediately, then continue to decline as newer models are released and the radio becomes more and more obsolete. Then, finally, after a LOOONG time, the radio begins to pick up in value because all the cheap ones were bought up and resold, so all that are left are the more expensive, unrealistically priced ones. We are at this point for Astro Sabers and XTS3000, they used to be dirt cheap and commonplace, but they have dried up of late. The XTS5k / 2500's are back in the cycle further, at the point where the prices have declined to about half their initial "street" value of somewhere around $1000. Eventually, the radio enters the parts/museum piece stage when the price can go up quite a bit, but typically only for rare or unusual old radios.

As usual, shop the seller among the reputable ones, and look for a radio that has full and legitimate tags. The only other pitfall is getting ALT radios, but most of them in the XTS series have come up for sale cheaply, and have been since sold off so there's not that many of them left out there in general. Features like FPP, etc. used to command a premium of somewhere around $100-$200 or more in the early days of the radio's history, but after all the leaked copies of Depot, etc. out there have become commonplace, any idiot can "pump up" his feature set; this makes the flashcode of the radio pretty much irrelevant as far as price goes now.


Basically, as long as you do your homework, and the radio is legit and looks half decent, finding one for $500-$600 is the idea. You can pay more, but usually that is to sellers that aren't in touch with "street" prices, or they may have a pristine radio they feel is worth more than what others are asking, sometimes with additional accessories, etc.
 

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Two other factors:
You're paying for the seller and his reputation. You'll find that people on here who are known, experienced sellers may ask a few dollars more because of their reputation for excellent equipment.
Also, you pay for how the radio has been prepared for sale. Some people use the "it turns on, therefore it works test". Others (me included) spend the time to individually align each radio and ensure it meets or exceeds Motorola specs prior to shipment. This takes time (I'm not rich enough to have a 3920 with Autotune) and is thus reflected in the price. But, you're assured that the radio will actually work properly, be on frequency, etc.
 
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Thank you! I consider myself enlightened and appreciate your time. Time to start lookin' for some radios!
 

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Alpha and TVJSR made most of the points I would have. So I won't repeat them. I will reiterate the part about buying the SELLER and not just the radio. I have had many a misrepresented radio come across my bench the last few months, mostly from that auction site but not all. In all cases, the buyer bought from someone who didn't know a radio from a lug wrench.

You get what you pay for, but don't overpay. One XTS5K I serviced has obvious water damage to the RF board and was bought off that auction sitefor what I thought was a premium price ($800). My verdict not economical to repair and the buyer filed a claim through Ebay for an item not as described. The seller advertised it as "seller refurbished".

Putting a fresh off the boat from Hong Kong housing on a battered, worn out run over by a truck radio does not magically make all better. It just further reinforces why one should do a little homework and ASK QUESTIONS of the seller before hitting that "get ***** now" button. Questions like:

Is this radio all original, or have parts been replaced?
Any water or physical damage?
Has the radio been tuned and aligned on a service monitor and if so, by whom and when?
Any issues I should know about?

Best of luck in finding your new radio. FWIW these forums are a great place to start looking.
 

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Thank you! I consider myself enlightened and appreciate your time. Time to start lookin' for some radios!

These guys are too modest to say it so I will. Two of the most stand-up trustworthy sellers in the aftermarket Motorola community (it is relatively small) just gave you the best advice -- pretty much everything you need to know about picking up used Moto gear. Follow their sage advice. You can take risks, sure, but as with anything, only risk what you are prepared to lose.

I'm not just blowing smoke up their ass -- I'm also a (small time) buyer.
 
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I just bought a XTS5000 II. I payed 785+ shipping. It had a new case on it as well. The guy was a reputable seller. I have seen him here and on ebay. I ran the SN through our databases to check the SN and it all comes back clean. I work for a local SO and took it to our radio shop to be programmed and they are VERY VERY picky about programming radios on our trunked system. They programmed it and checked the alignment and all that other fun stuff and they said it was in great shape. I'll pay a little more to get one with tags and matching AND clean serial numbers.
If you're going to put you life on the line with this radio shouldn't it be something you trust? What do you trust more, a $400 hope it works radio with a lopsided case? Or, a $800 radio that will give you years of service?
just my $0.02
 
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