MOTOTRBO Capacity Max

[DJ0WH]

So I've had my first look at Capacity Max and for the first time in a while I'm quite impressed - even though it's still in beta. Unfortunately there's a lot of stuff I can't say anything about until April. But I'll try answer as best as I can, without getting myself into trouble, before then.

 

[Mocom30]

TrboMax

See presentation.
View attachment TrboMax.pdf
Cheers

 

[Zaarin]

From the webinar that presentation was a part of, they also mentioned that they'll increase max number of sites from 15 to 250 (same as Connect Plus) at the end of 2016. Capacity Max will also support redundant controllers and repeaters and sites that lose connection to the rest of the system will still work as trunked single-site systems.

 

[techman]

Capacity Max will also support redundant controllers and repeaters and sites that lose connection to the rest of the system will still work as trunked single-site systems.

I would hope this is a given. Two other vendors tier3 solutions I have been involved with are designed to be redundant by default you just need to activate it. Simoco tier3 solution there is no need to external site controllers since this role is preformed in the repeater it's self and in the event of fail unit the role is handed off to anther repeater in the stack. two control channels are recommended on sites at or greater then three carriers.

Motorola still has some catching up here to do but the signs are positive. I'm concerned with the centralized controller idea, looks like it may have taken the design from tetra solution and what restrictions this places on sites when connection is lost.

Next pricing and hope it is competitive and not out of the ball park.

I would also like to find out once the product is released if they will cross trade capacity plus licenses for capacity max?

 

[Jutod]

Yes DMR Tier 3 is coming..... I was one that said it wasn't going to happen, but things are changing due to business decisions beyond me. Bad part is, if you've invested in Connect Plus...... well....... I'm not sure what to tell you right now.

 

[radiotechs]

Is the Webinar available anywhere, ?

Asia pacific region hasnt had one, or maybe they have but I missed it ?

From the webinar that presentation was a part of, they also mentioned that they'll increase max number of sites from 15 to 250 (same as Connect Plus) at the end of 2016. Capacity Max will also support redundant controllers and repeaters and sites that lose connection to the rest of the system will still work as trunked single-site systems.

 

[Zaarin]

It's available on the EMEA MOL, but I don't know if Motorola would like it if it was posted publicly. Anyone know?

 

[Mars]

It's available on the EMEA MOL, but I don't know if Motorola would like it if it was posted publicly. Anyone know?

If they don't, I'm sure we'll hear about it. Feel free to post it. There's no need for secrecy.

 

[Zaarin]

The slides are in the PDF attached to this post. The recording was too big to upload to the forum so I put it on my server for a few days.

 

[waveman]

With it being compliant with version 1.7.1 of the standard (ETSI TS 102 361-4 V1.7.1), will it be compatible with terminals from other tier 3 manufacturers?

Anybody know what version of the standard the other manufacturers comply with?

 

[DJ0WH]

With it being compliant with version 1.7.1 of the standard (ETSI TS 102 361-4 V1.7.1), will it be compatible with terminals from other tier 3 manufacturers?

Anybody know what version of the standard the other manufacturers comply with?

Other vendors hardware should work on Capacity Max and the system should provide all the standard services required by R2.0 of the DMRA IOP tests.


Most (if not all) will comply with v1.4.1 or earlier - for now at least.

 

[waveman]

Other vendors hardware should work on Capacity Max and the system should provide all the standard services required by R2.0 of the DMRA IOP tests.


Most (if not all) will comply with v1.4.1 or earlier - for now at least.

R2.0 of the DMRA IOP - I cannot find any reference to this on the DMRA website. I can see a white paper on the IOP process and certificates. Is it restricted to members?


There are some changes with regard to the use of bits in some packets in the over-the-air signalling to cater for new features i.e. Registration with talk group subscription/attachment, full duplex calls plus a change to the status call service and there may be other changes.

Seems most of the changes happened to bits that were reserved so one would think the manufacturers code would ignore any changes to those bits. But how do users and potential users really know?

 

[techman]

Early days of tier3 was interesting and a lot of issues with compatibility with the one vendor on there own tin, it has got better but still holes in places. We have seen a lot of improvement with comparability between tait, hytera and to lesser extent simoco locally but they are actively working on addressing issues.

Motorola entry into the market, I will be surprised if this old dog has changed there spots when it comes to supporting the core standard. I stand to be proven wrong and hope they are doing right by there customers.

 

[waveman]

I'm sure there will be more compatibility issues as vendors introduce some of the newer features and since the IOP doesn't cover all the features, there is little the user or potential user can do to determine comparability. It will be a suck it and see or put some form of test in the procurement package.

I think the words from Motorola were something akin to "we comply with the standard and applied innovation to bring you the features you need". Their online blurb https://www.motorolasolutions.com/en_xa/products/mototrbo/mototrbo-capacity-max.html states "The system supports all the innovative features you’d expect from MOTOTRBO, from advanced location tracking to long text messaging and enhanced security. For customers who need a system that supports other vendors’ radios, Capacity Max can be run in DMR Tier III “Interoperability” mode with these features disabled"

Wonder just what is lost when running in "interoperability" mode?

 

[Zaarin]

So I've had my first look at Capacity Max and for the first time in a while I'm quite impressed - even though it's still in beta. Unfortunately there's a lot of stuff I can't say anything about until April. But I'll try answer as best as I can, without getting myself into trouble, before then.

Not sure if you can answer this yet... I take it SmartPTT and TRBONet will eventually add support for Capacity Max. Will that be only in the Motorola-sold Plus versions or will Enterprise get it as well? Will all communication with data applications such as TRBONet and SmartPTT go through the controller or will they access the sites directly as with Linked Capacity Plus?

 

[DJ0WH]

Not sure how the Apps will access Capacity Max but yes TRBONET Plus and SmartPTT Plus will support it. Not sure about the enterprise versions either.

 

[radiotechs]

Thank you, doesnt look like its being shown here, will look through your slides

The slides are in the PDF attached to this post. The recording was too big to upload to the forum so I put it on my server for a few days.

 

[syntrx]

Tier 3 compliance? When pigs fly IMHO

Same day as MPT1327 and TETRA become significant in the U.S.