Talking to radios with the same ID

[greasy monkey]

Hello,

Would anyone who happened to read the thread recently regarding radios having the same ID but being able to hear each other on the same channel and this feature being dependant on the "Channel Enhanced Feature" in the Codeplug be able to tell me please if it is possible to select this if it does not appear in the "Channel" section of the programming software ?

I have a sample codeplug from the CPS that has this as an option but when i try to close the codeplug after editing the details the option has disappeared.

Any info would be greatly appreciated on whether this can be selected at will or is it only available in certain programming combinations.

Regards.

 

[dh6kq]

Hello,
it would be helpful if you could mention more facts like firmware versions in use, tanapa # and CPS versions.
Have you always used the same PC and CPS ore different setups?
Did your create a clean codeplug fresh from start or pulled an copy from where ever, trying to edit this?
More details please.
In general, if the tick box is greyed out or not present, you cannot alter the appropriate setting.

 

[greasy monkey]

Hello,

Thanks for your reply

The software i was looking at is version 8.6, which is a NA version. Our radios are using the Aust / NZ version which i think is EMA or something similar.

I don't have a version of this but when i read the thread originally it seemed a solution to our problem of being able to monitor the radio traffic that the control room hears.

I have some of the programming data that our radios are programmed with and attempted to input this into the sample codeplug that matched the Dm version radios that we use here.

When i had finished and went to save the codeplug as you would before you would input it into the radio i noticed that the checkbox at the bottom of the "Channels" page had vanished.

I don't have any experience with this software so i am unsure whether this is normal or if it is just something that is relative to the sample codeplug.

Would you be able to tell me what particular function this option actually controls and if the option is not there to select when the codeplug is loaded back into the radio does that mean that it is selected automatically ?

Being able to have a second radio with the same ID and have it being able to hear the same info as the first radio would fix a problem we have and it seemed too good to be true when i first read it.

Thanks again for your reply.

 

[dh6kq]

Again, as already written,
the Radio FW (& CP) version is essential, so I cannot help any further without this and the exact steps of the programming process.
Especially when it comes to old software (8.6 should be roughly around 3 years old) it is not that easy to simulate outdated versions on radio & computer, trying to trace an observation.
I would suggest to update all radios and use the current CPS first, then continue.

As english is not not my native language, I am probably wrong, but...
is there a reason behind this second thread or isn't it actually another part or the same topic as your other thread 'Mototrbo Fleet Call Setup'?

 

[greasy monkey]

Thanks for your reply,

The CPS Version 8.6 was just a temporary idea to experiment with. The fleet radios are programmed with i assume, the Oceanic version which i suspect is EMA or similar

Unfortunately we do not own the programming software that the units are programmed with, i thought that the subject of the original thread might have been a way out of the problem we have and described in the other thread but it seems that it isn't practicable to try and have two units with the same ID on the same system.

Our new plan was to provide a second radio ourselves and therefore be able to clone the first one but if the "channel enhancement" issue is going to cause problems with the programming we might have to leave it.

Thanks again.

 

[nje431]

You need to tread cautiously when duplicating a private ID and doing private call. If I remember correctly, private call is what is called a "confirmed call". In other words, the calling radio and the called radio handshake before the call. That means the called radio will transmit to confirm it's available. If two or more radios all have the same ID, they will all try to confirm availability at the same time, causing a collision.

A private call is designed to be just that, private.

Cheers

 

[greasy monkey]

Thank you for your reply.

The company i work for has decided not to proceed any further with this idea, they have decreed that since they pay a sizeable sum per month to the company operating the system on their behalf, that it will now become their problem. We have looked at the latest Mototrbo system planner and it does not go into any great detail regarding how private calls are actually passed over the system.

We would be very interested if there was any further information available regarding the inner workings of the DMR system as i don't think our service provider has given us all the information they could have done, for whatever reason.

Thanks again for your reply.

 

[greasy monkey]

Thank you for your reply.

The company i work for has decided not to proceed any further with this idea, they have decreed that since they pay a sizeable sum per month to the company operating the system on their behalf, that it will now become their problem. We have looked at the latest Mototrbo system planner and it does not go into any great detail regarding how private calls are actually passed over the system.

We would be very interested if there was any further information available regarding the inner workings of the DMR system as i don't think our service provider has given us all the information they could have done, for whatever reason.

Thanks again for your reply.

Please excuse the spelling errors in the above message, I am aware of the mistakes and will not make them again.

Regards.